Michael Colunga (16 March 2011)
"RE:  Revelation 12:1 to be fulfilled literally in the heavens on 9/29/2011.  Whether this is the Rapture is anybody's guess."

 
Hello, John and Doves,
 
    My pastor, Ray Bentley of Maranatha Chapel, San Diego, spoke at the Men's Breakfast on
Saturday morning,  March 12, 2011.
    Pastor Ray mentioned the online free download at http://stellarium.org/.
There, one can get a program to show you the sky on any date.
In fact, one can check Stellarium to find that Pentecost, 2011 has the Sun between the horns
of the Ox.  In this day, we call the Ox in the sky, Taurus.  Well, the LORD compares the ox
to Himself.  The ox, like the LORD, is strong and tireless, as far as the farmer is concerned.
The ox tends to plow straight ahead, turning neither to the right nor the left.  Our LORD
asks us through Paul,
    "Therefore, my beloved brethren, be steadfast, immovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, knowing that your labor is not in vain in the Lord."  1 Corinthians 15:58
 
[The further significance of the conjunction of the Sun and Taurus was that the same thing
happened long ago on Pentecost at the giving of the Law.]
 
    You will recognize that this verse is in the section where the Apostle Paul talks about the
Rapture of the believers in Christ.  Therefore, this conjunction of the Sun and Taurus is an
interesting occurance in the heavens.  Please see also http://zodiactruth.com/pleiades.aspx.
 
    There is likewise another interesting happening in the heavens on Rosh Hashanah, 2011.
Revelation 12:1 says,
    "Now a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a garland of twelve stars."  See also http://philologos.org/bpr/files/c006.htm.
 
This was fulfilled to the letter at Christ's birth.  See http://www.bethlehemstar.net/.
 
On Rosh Hashanah, 2011, this verse will come true in a similar manner.  The Sun will be at
Virgo's shoulder, according to Stellarium.  The Moon will be on the same side, but at her feet.
The question is, then, what do these significant signs in the heavens mean?
 
In HaShem,
Mike C.
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Donna Danna (15 March 2011)
"REPLY TO FAY -- THE FINAL BIRTH PANG WHEN THE BODY OF CHRIST IS DELIVERED"

In reply to your 3/13 post at  http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/march2011/fay314-2.htm the Lord Jesus Christ is considered the man child in Rev. 12:5 who was delivered and caught up to God and his throne in heaven, and in the following verse 6 the woman, who is considered Israel, flees into the wilderness for 3 1/2 yrs.to escape the persecution of the serpent.  Since the saved believers are considered the body of Christ, might these verses in Rev.12:1-6 indicate that the final birth pang takes place with the saved believers as the body of Christ being delivered and taken up to heaven at the time that the woman flees into the wilderness for 3 1/2 years?  Either that or there would have to be a big gap in time between these verses when the Lord ascended into heaven 40 days after his resurrection and when the woman flees into the wilderness in the future which has not yet happened.
 
Rev. 12:1-6, "And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and [to] his throne. And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred [and] threescore days."