In reply to your 3/13 post at http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/march2011/fay314-2.htm the Lord Jesus Christ is considered the man child in Rev. 12:5 who was delivered and caught up to God and his throne in heaven, and in the following verse 6 the woman, who is considered Israel, flees into the wilderness for 3 1/2 yrs.to escape the persecution of the serpent. Since the saved believers are considered the body of Christ, might these verses in Rev.12:1-6 indicate that the final birth pang takes place with the saved believers as the body of Christ being delivered and taken up to heaven at the time that the woman flees into the wilderness for 3 1/2 years? Either that or there would have to be a big gap in time between these verses when the Lord ascended into heaven 40 days after his resurrection and when the woman flees into the wilderness in the future which has not yet happened.Rev. 12:1-6, "And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and [to] his throne. And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred [and] threescore days."