Cary (28 March 2011)
"Re - Jennies post"

I’m with you there Jennie. I just finished posting this to someone else...

... I know that Doing good and following God's commands are the result of salvation (which is by grace through faith alone), not the reason for it. I have come to the understanding that following Gods commands
are necessary for the whole salvation story. This is not adding works. The Holy spirit does the work in us. There is always perfect balance in God. There's foreknowledge and there's free will, but the two work together.
There's mercy and there's judgement, there's wrath and there's forgiveness and so on. God's word and the Holy Spirit work together too.

The bible says we are saved by grace through faith but it also says some will fall away. The bible gives assurance of salvation but it also commands us to hold fast, obey God, stay awake and "work out your salvation"
So the two are equally true.

For a person who is truly saved, trusting in the blood of Jesus, following God as closely as possible, even if you sin then repent there is assurance of salvation. However, there are those who trample the blood of Jesus

after having been saved, they deny the Lord and put themselves outside the kingdom by worshiping something other than God. We do not fear that everyday sin will cause us to be lost. But to continue in sin, to practice

 sin as a lifestyle, to deny the Lordship of Jesus (including the belief that there is more than one way to heaven), to accept and preach false teachings is to take yourself out of the covering atonement by choice. I know

 this is a big subject. It was the teaching of osas that lead me on a quest for truth and in truth I cannot find osas in the bible. It appears to fall short of the whole council of God. One cannot exclude the Holy spirit in the

gospel of salvation. But I am finding more and more that people who follow this teaching are in danger and saying things like. "Sin doesn't mater. Whatever I do I will get to heaven. It doesn't matter how backslidden I

become, when the trumpet blows I will be raptured too" etc. (I have heard all these and more) The truth is, that is not the whole truth as I read it.

Consider the following verses.

Rom 11:19-23
19 You will say then, "Branches were broken off that I might be grafted
in."20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by
faith. Do not be haughty, but fear.21 For if God did not spare the natural
branches, He may not spare you either.22 Therefore consider the goodness and
severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if
you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off .

Heb 6:4-6
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted
the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit,5 and have
tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come,6 if they fall
away , to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for
themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.

Rev 3:5
5 He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot
out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My
Father and before His angels.

Matt 7:22-23
22 Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in
Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your
name?'23 And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me,
you who practice lawlessness!'

Heb 3:12-4:1
12 Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief
in departing from the living God;13 but exhort one another daily, while it
is called "Today," lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of
sin.14 For we have become partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of
our confidence steadfast to the end,15 while it is said:

"Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion."
16 Failure of the Wilderness Wanderers

For who, having heard, rebelled? Indeed, was it not all who came out of
Egypt, led by Moses?17 Now with whom was He angry forty years? Was it not
with those who sinned, whose corpses fell in the wilderness?18 And to whom
did He swear that they would not enter His rest, but to those who did not
obey?19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.