Greg Wilson (11 March 2018)
Re: Seeker (4 March 20180 "We Will know the season 1 Thess. 5:4-5)
In support of your observations concerning 1 Thessalonians 5:4-5, I offer the following which is an excerpt from my letter titled : "The End of the Age: The Word, Doctrine and Prophecy" which may be read at https://9-11-2017.com/2017/12/17/the-end-of-the-age-the-word-doctrine-and-prophecy/
Note: If the footnotes do not populate this excerpt, they can be viewed above. This section of the letter is at the end of the above Adobe document at my website.
The Great Departure Precedes Daniel's 70th Week
Daniel's 70th week will follow the end of the Age of Pentecost, an age which will terminate with the mysterious resurrection and departure of the body of Christ, the true Church. This prophetic event, popularly termed the "Rapture" will complete the figurative wave offering imagery of the Feast of Pentecost. As Christ was resurrected on the Jewish festival day called "First Fruits" symbolized by the "wave sheaf offering to God", so too, the body of Christ, will be raised at Pentecost symbolized by the "two loaf wave offering" representing the resurrected dead in Christ and the catching out of the living in Christ. So, with the initial deposit of the Holy Spirit on Pentecost 30AD followed by the redemption of the body on Pentecost 2018, the promised redemption transactions will have been completed fulfilling the Feast's wave offering typology. Pentecost will fall on a day and hour only known to God, probably on a Sunday in the Spring.
The apostle Paul was keen to speak doctrinally to his future brethren, Remnant Israel, in the first ten verses of 1 Thessalonians 5:1-10 which follow the resurrection/rapture event of 1 Thessalonians 4:17-18. I am using the word "doctrine" with the purpose of "rightly dividing" the divisions of God's redemptive plans. There is a salvation/redemption plan for the Church and a salvation/redemption plan for Remnant Israel. These two redemption doctrines coexist in the New Testament and form the basis for much misunderstanding. Do not forget, that the a good portion of our New Testament is doctrinally addressed to the Tribulation Jews too. God is going to restore the remnant and He is going to use portions of the New Testament to teach them about Jesus/Yeshua. They are going to get the "testimony of Jesus/Yeshua" from the New Testament, the two witnesses and the 144,000 gospel of the kingdom evangelists. We may be able to "inspirationally or spiritually" apply Jewish doctrine in these first ten verses to the Church, but we must never mix Church salvation doctrine with Jewish tribulation salvation doctrine or we create the doctrine of demons. This doctrine mixing is the reason for all of the denomination differences in the churches today. Be aware too, that the word "doctrine" has been removed from many verses in favor of the word "teaching" in New Age bibles. God cries out to the Jewish leadership in Isaiah 28 saying: "To whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk and drawn from the breasts." Doctrine is the first and most important of the four purposes of the Scriptures. What we are going to see in these ten verses is a clear demonstration by Paul that he intends to use doctrinal language never applied doctrinally to the Church. Therefore, we must necessarily look toward a Jewish tribulation doctrine.
These ten verses follow chronologically the last three verses of 1 Thessalonians 4 which ended with the resurrection/rapture. The first verse of 1 Thessalonians 5 immediately shifts the conversation from the resurrection/rapture to the restoration of the kingdom to Israel at the Second Advent of Christ. We can know this with doctrinal certainty by the use of the term the "times and seasons". This term is used exclusively in reference to the restoration of the kingdom to Israel and the day of the Lord.
In Acts the disciples asked Jesus/Yeshua if He was going to restore the kingdom to Israel and His answer identifies the specific meaning of kingdom restoration. He called it the "times and seasons". In 1 Thessalonians 5, Paul is addressing remnant Israel in our future. These Jewish brethren will not need any further writing to figure out the "times and the seasons" because they will have just witnessed the devastating sudden resurrection and removal of hundreds of millions of Christians. God will have begun to remove their blindness to the times and seasons.
The reference to the "day of the Lord" in verse 2 is the time period associated with Daniel's 70th week, the Time of Jacob's Trouble and the events described in the Book of Revelation. It is interesting that verse 3 speaks figuratively to the Revelation 12:1-5 wonder of the woman. Jesus/Yeshua refers to this woman in his dialogue with the disciples using the birthing idiom "beginning of sorrows." This image, which appeared in the Virgo constellation on September 23, 2017, may have been the warning of the impending changes as Israel's 70th year approaches fullness.
After the resurrection/rapture event and with their spiritual sight being restored, a remnant of Jewish believers will be born again. These new Messianic believers will be Remnant Israel. They will keep the commandments of God and have the faith and testimony of Yeshua. They will not be in the darkness of verse 4 because the light of Yeshua's testimony will illuminate their understanding of the "times and seasons". In verse 6 they will soberly watch for the Second Advent of Christ.
In verse 8 we should take note that their "armor of God" is different from that of their recently departed Christian brothers. They will wear a breastplate of "faith and love" associated with the Sermon on the Mount representing the new "commandments of God", the gospel of the kingdom. They wear a helmet called the "hope of salvation". Their tribulation salvation is based on faith and works and their salvation is uncertain until Christ appears at the Second Advent. Tribulation salvation will be a faith and works salvation.
The armor of God given to the Christians in Ephesians 6 is distinctly different from the armor in 1 Thessalonians 5. This is evidence that these brethren are Jewish believers in Daniel's 70th week. Our breastplate is "righteousness" which was imputed to us at the moment we faithfully believed in the atoning work of Christ. Our helmet is the "helmet of salvation". Our salvation is sure. Our armor is the armor of our Messiah Jesus/Yeshua. The breastplate and helmet of the Church match Christ's in Isaiah 59:17a at His First Advent. This Isaiah 59:17 verse is similar to the Isaiah 61:2 in that these two verses both refer to Christ's first and second Advents each separated by a semi-colon and a comma, respectively. To date, these punctuation marks reflect a 1,987 year pause in the verses since Christ's resurrection.
Finally, in verse nine we notice that God has not appointed these Tribulation Jews to God's wrath, otherwise known as the last three and half years of Daniel's week of seven years. They are God's people, in Jacob, His inheritance.God will provide for them as He did for the Hebrew nation in the forty years of wilderness wandering.
In Christ, Greg Wilson
 Revelation 12:17, 11:3, 7:4
 1 Timothy 4:1
 2 Timothy 3:16
 Acts 1:6-7, Daniel 2:21
 Romans 11:25
 Daniel 9:27
 Matthew 24:8
 Revelation 12:1-5, Psalm 22:31
 Revelation 12:17, 14:12, 20:4
 Matthew 5
 Matthew 24:21; Revelation 12:6
 Deuteronomy 32:9
 Exodus 16, Micah 7:14; Revelation 12:6,14