This is the conclusion to the article on John the Baptist

 

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/feb2008/tedp227.htm

 

It cover some points in more detail which hopefully will clear up any confusion people may have had.  I've also decided to separate out replies to responses to the first article in a separate post to Five Doves. 

 

Once Saved Always Saved

When I first wrote concerning John the Baptist I had a whole paragraph discussing how John the Baptist, better than anyone else, disproves, Once Saved Always Saved, (OSAS).  However, I deleted it for two reasons.

 

1.  I have know Christians personally, who for all their strong Christian faith and desire to serve the Lord, had bought into the false doctrine of OSAS.  It did not matter what scriptures I would share with them, they had drummed into their heads this doctrine and nothing I could say, come "hell or high water" was going to change it.  We just ended up agreeing to disagree.  So one of the reasons I deleted this paragraph was to not appear divisive.  Yet, are we not called to not stay babes in the Lord, always drinking milk, but to desire the meat of the gospel? 

 

What I thought was particularly coincidental or ironic, depending on how you look at it, was that while John the Baptist was the best example I saw disproving OSAS, although not in the least the only example, it was mainly some "Baptist" churches, that taught this false doctrine.  And I must admit that OSAS is one of the most clever, if not the most clever of false doctrines thought up by the Devil, to convince God to let him and the third of the angels he led in rebellion against God, back into heaven. 

 

When I think about it there are two big lies the devil seems to use to keep people out of Heaven.  The first, aimed at those who have not yet accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior, is the false doctrine of Reincarnation, in that accepting Christ would require them to give up all their fun stuff to go to heaven, so go ahead and put it off till another life.  The second, aimed at those who have just accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior, is the false doctrine of Once Saved Always Saved, in that now that you have accepted Christ it doesn't matter what you do, good or bad, so go ahead and live your life the way you want to, and go back to making yourself, or more accurately, sin, Lord of your life again.

 

2.  I was saying you have be very discerning about any doctrine that uses as its only basis, John the Baptist, such as the false doctrine of Reincarnation, unbelievably taught in some churches but coming from the very pits of Hell, the same place from whence rose the false doctrine of Universalism, that everyone in the end is going to Heaven.

 

Others, in their support of OSAS, could accuse me of doing the exact same thing I was warning not to do.  Even though I could point out so many other examples from the Bible that also falsify OSAS such as Satan and a third of the Angels, Adam and Eve, King Saul, and probably saddest of all, Solomon.

 

For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.  Luke 7:28

 

What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?  For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour.  Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all things under his feet:  All sheep and oxen, yea, and the beasts of the field; The fowl of the air, and the fish of the sea, and whatsoever passeth through the paths of the seas.   Psalms 8:4-8

 

Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?  I Corinthians 6:3

 

(Note that in Psalms 84-8 it declares man is made a little lower than the angels, yet those that follow Christ shall be exalted in Heaven to where we are at least equal to Angels as it says that we will even judge angels as testified in I Corinthians 6:3.  Being the greatest on earth is still lower than the lowest in Heaven.)

 

Anyone who believes in the unusually crafty and devilish doctrine of OSAS, (there but for the grace of God go I), I don't expect to ever come to believe that those who are least in the Kingdom of God, those who make deathbed confessions and are saved "by the skin of their teeth", are greater than John the Baptist, UNTIL after they denounce their belief in OSAS and leave any church that teaches it.  (It's not how you begin a race that counts, (and John the Baptist started in the "Human" race, far out in front of any other person), but how you end it.)  So if you are caught up in the lie of OSAS and this letter has not convinced you to change what you believe, then let us do what I have had to do with other Christian friends.  Lets just agree to disagree.  But I wanted to now include bringing up OSAS in regard to John the Baptist for completeness.

 

As the Bible states:

 

For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.  Hebrews 6:4-6

 

Satan hates this scripture.  It condemns him to Hell.  He can't come back.  For Hell is the Just Punishment for Satan and his angels, based on the judgment of God.  But Hell was not created as punishment for Man, but for Satan and the fallen angels.  Yet, God will be putting all those who reject Him, including Humans, there as just punishment.

 

However, the accuser of our Brethren, satan could accuse God of again not somehow playing fair.  He could somehow accuse God of treating the fallen humans different than the fallen angels.  For while Humans are born into sin, (even though they may have not acted out any sins at birth), and then have the choice to be forgiven those sins, fallen angels do not have that choice.  Angels were created in the presence of God, not in sin.  God could be accused of in a sense allowing Humans to get a second chance, although only through their offspring.  Satan could argue, and he is the best of arguers, that this wasn't fair.

 

But what if God allowed one man to born NOT into sin?  What if this man's spirit was not dead at birth?  What if this man was filled with the Holy Spirit before birth, before you would think He even had the chance to know, let alone believe in the coming Messiah, the prerequisite for every other human to become Spirit filled?  This person would never have the chance to accept Jesus Christ as the one, as he already had, just like the Angels.  But he would have the chance to then reject Jesus Christ as the one, just like the Angels.  If he then rejected Jesus Christ as the one, then if God still gave him the same punishment meeted out to the fallen Angels, then this would be fair.  And God did.

 

Consider the accusation that God really didn't care about this person anyway.  Yet God would answer that He, as the incarnate Jesus, had played with him as Jesus grew up, that he was the cousin of Jesus, that he was the friend of Jesus throughout His lifetime.  For God gave His only begotten Son to die for our sins, that we may have eternal life.  Jesus had the pain and suffering of all mankind upon His shoulders along with the emotional pain of being rejected in the end by his boyhood friend, John the Baptist.

 

But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation.  Luke 17:25

 

John the Baptist was of this generation.  Do we have any proof besides this scripture that John the Baptist personally rejected Jesus?  Yes, from John's own lips.

 

Now when John had heard in the prison the works of Christ, he sent two of his disciples, And said unto him, Art thou he that should come, or do we look for another?  Matthew 11:2-3   

 

John was doubting what John himself had said, his own testimony, that Jesus was the Son of God, here to take away the sins of the earth.  What's up with that?  Logically, the Spirit of Elijah had left him.

 

Genetic Manipulation

It sounds that people want to know the details of how God could accomplish what He accomplished with John the Baptist.  Let's start with Adam.  We know that God formed Adam out of the dust of the ground.  If Adam was genetically a man as we now have man, he had 46 chromosomes, 44 which could be paired into 22 different chromosomes, leaving one X (female), and one Y (male) unpaired chromosome in each cell of his body.  These chromosomes are all made up DNA base pairs which for the human genome number around 3 billion.  Consider these 3 billion DNA base pairs "crammed", actually there is plenty of room, into each cell, and it takes around 10 of these cells before they can be seen by the naked eye.  However, since Adam was not the product of two people's DNA he would not need both pairs of the 22 chromosomes that are paired in each cell of our bodies today.  He could have had just the 22 plus the X and the Y.  

 

Adam was called a "son of God", (as were the Angels), as he was created directly by God.

 

Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.  Luke 3:38

 

God, created a helpmate for Adam, Eve, by basically putting Adam into a deep sleep, extracting a rib, taking out the Y chromosome from the cells, and if like we now have women, inserting another X chromosome.  However, as discussed before, like Adam with 22 plus and X and a Y.  If this was the case, then only the Y chromosome would have had to have been taken out.  Nothing was added.  It makes no sense that anything was added, such as another X chromosome, as Eve was supposed to be made completely out of Adam.  So Eve would have had the 22 plus an X chromosome.

 

Together, Adam and Eve had the ability to procreate so new people could be formed.  All the new people would then be called though the sons and daughters of their earthly father.  They would not be called the son or daughter of God.

 

In Jesus we know that God became Man and dwelt among us.  He had no earthly father but was another "son of God", although because of His deity He was the "Son of God".  We also know that He was the only "begotten" "son of God".

 

Because of his earthly roots Jesus' most frequent title for Himself was, "Son of Man".  How did God do this?  We know He had to add the Y chromosome as females lack this chromosome.  Did God use Mary's egg DNA within her body and add the DNA equivalent as is found in a male sperm?  Ron Wyatt, (and I realize again that many ministries have come out against Ron's very sensational claims, but regardless.)  had stated to have found the mercy seat stored below where the cross once stood with blood that had come down a crack and landed on the mercy seat.  Upon analyzing the blood it had only 24 chromosomes, the 22 that are usually paired with another, and the X and the Y.  This makes sense to me.  God could have created from scratch the Y chromosome, and inserted it into an egg of Mary, the betrothed of Joseph, to create the son of man, the only begotten Son of God.  Both, physically, a son of man, and a son of God.

 

Enter John the Baptist.  What does scripture say?  Does Jesus say John the Baptist came in the "spirit" of Elijah or does He say Elijah?  Do the prophecies fortell that God will send someone that has the Spirit of Elijah or do they record God saying He will send Elijah?  Can we argue with scripture?

 

Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:  Malachi 4:5

 

For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.  And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.  Matthew  11:13-14 

 

And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.  And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come?  And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.  But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them.  Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist.  Matthew 17:9-13

 

If the disciples can understand that Jesus was speaking of John the Baptist, when He said that "Elias is come already", then why can't people today.     

 

Again, since Elijah was in bodily form in Heaven, as he was taken into the spiritual dimension, God could take Elijah's Y chromosome and insert it into an egg of Elisabeth, the wife of Zacharias, to create someone with all the male Y chromosomes of Elijah, John the Baptist.  For the scripture does not just say "Spirit of Elijah", it says "Elijah".

 

In summary:

 

Adam would have been a son of God with all new DNA.

 

Eve would not have been a daughter of God as all her DNA came from Adam, with a Y chromosome removed.  In other words, a "daughter" of man.

 

John the Baptist would not have been a son of God.  By far the most likely scenario, from consistency alone, is that most of his DNA came from his mother Elisabeth, except for his Y chromosome which came from Elijah the prophet.  Either scenario, his Y chromosome was from Elijah the prophet.  John the Baptist was a son of man.

 

Jesus Christ would have been both a son of God and a son of man.  To be a son of man, He would have had to have DNA from man.  This would have been supplied from His mother Mary's egg.  To be a Son of God, He would have had to have DNA directly from God, which was the Y chromosome.

 

Adam was a son of God.  The Angels are sons of God.  Jesus was a son of God and a son of Man and the only "begotten" Son of God.

 

 

-May you be blessed.

 

Shalom,

Ted Porter

3/2/2008