Eliane B (19 June 2016)
"Pentecost "fully come" is on the 28th of the 4th Hebrew month"


Hi, John

It's been about 4 years since I last posted on Five Doves. I hope you are well and everyone in the community too.

Thank you,

Eliane B.
Thanks for sharing, Eliane.



When is the true Pentecost date? When is it "fully come"?


My references are the Creation Calendar website and the Lunar Sabbath website.






In both websites, before touching the subject of the correct method of calculating when the Feast of Shavuot (Pentecost) is fully come, they first explain (with an abundance of scriptural evidence) that the 7th day of the ancient Hebrew week (the weekly Sabbath) is not equivalent to the Gregorian Calendarís ďSaturdayĒ.


With that explained, they present the fact that nowhere in scriptures does it say that Pentecost is in spring neither that Pentecost takes place in the beginning of the 3rd Hebrew month ("Sivan"). Pentecost is a summer Feast that concludes the grain harvest. The main grain harvests in Israel were barley (which begins to ripen on the Feast of Firstfruits, on Nisan 16th) and wheat (which ripens in the end of the 4th Hebrew month (also called "Tammuz" after the Babylonian exile) if weíre referring to wheat planted in spring, not in fall or winter. Scripture always refer to new grain not old grain). Only wheat planted in the fall gets ripe in the beginning of the 3rd Hebrew month. Wheat planted in spring takes about 4 months to mature and this can be confirmed by the Department of Agriculture.


The Feast of Pentecost falls on the 28th day of the 4th Hebrew month ("Tammuz"). In 2016 this date will land on August 3rd or 4th. Troy Miller (Creator Calendar website's author) says that itís the 29th of 4th month, but I think the 28th is the correct counting, because the morrow after the 7th Sabbath (9th of Sivan) is already counted as the 1st day in the counting from 1 to 50. It also depends on one of the previous months having an extra day or not.


In the book of Ruth, the story begins in the beginning of the Barley harvest (Ruth 1:22) and ends at the end of the barley AND the wheat harvest (Ruth 2:23). The end of the redemption process [which is the main subject of the Book of Ruth: a Redeemer (type of Christ) taking a gentile bride (type of the Church)] takes place on the Feast of Pentecost. This is a significant hint in Scriptures.


There were two silver trumps for the calling of the assembly: one on Pentecost and the other on the Feast of Trumpets. Most people think that the Feast of Pentecost has already been completely fulfilled but then I ask: whatís the meaning of the two loaves of leavened bread being lifter UP by the Priest? Nothing has gone UP to the Father on that Feast yet. In the previous partial fulfillments of that Feasts, things came DOWN from Heaven, not up. I believe that the Rapture of the Churth (Boaz getting married to Ruth) will take place on that Feast. I'm not saying that anything will happen in any specific year. I'm just presenting information about the scriptural Pentecost date, in any year.


In the book of Revelation, Christ appears in the middle of the seven candlesticks. The Feast of Pentecost is represented by the central lamp in the Menorah (as the 4th Feast, in the middle of the seven). The rapture or the Bride of the Son of God is a central event in the prophetic calendar.


Below I present the articles that refer to the Feast of Pentecost, but first, the reader must understand the Lunar Sabbath explanation in the other articles. The day we know today as ďSaturdayĒ (in the Gregorian Calendar) is not the Sabbath of the ancient Hebrew calendar. Secondly, the counting of 50 days comes AFTER seven lunar Sabbaths are counted. The seventh (lunar) Sabbath after Passover is the 8th of Sivan. The morrow after that date is the 9th of Sivan, the 1st day of the omer (counting to 50). The 50th day of the omer is the 28th of 4th Hebrew month.


I know that if this is the first time you come across this concept you will find it really strange. But all the scriptural references with regard calendar on the Creation Calendar website are abundant and should be carefully analyzed. Note: I'm referring to the Sabbath and Pentecost studies only. I don't necessarily agree with other views and doctrines held by the author.


















Iíve shared these lines because I noticed that many doves expressed interest in identifying the correct Pentecost date. If anyone doesnít agree with this line of thought (lunar Sabbaths, Pentecost in summer etc) itís perfectly OK. Itís not my intention to start an endless thread about this subject.


Let me just conclude by saying that, much more important than calendar issues is using all resources we have (time, money, talents) in a wise manner (suggested reading: Luke 16). Our acts here have eternal impact for ourselves and for others, specially unsaved ones. Iíve sincerely been much more concerned about that than about any discussion about dates.


Have a blessed day,


Eliane B.