Dear Brother John and Beloved Doves, I have become convinced that while we all receive revelation in part concerning our Blessed hope, none receives a full revelation lest a spirit of pride spoil the crown laid up for us. In listening to other watchmen I have tried to connect the dots to a more certain revelation, here is what I have found. I apologize in advance if any of this runs on or does not format correctly, I am writing this from my phone MATHMAN http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/june2012/mathman620.htm The 8 signs in the heavens of our betrothal and marriage - well done my brother, this was like the lid on the box of the puzzle that helped tie many other comments together! I can't wait to fellowship with you and all the other watchers mentioned in this post! Now some of the other dots I connected: Steve W mentioned in his post yesterday something about the Charity vision of 5,6,7 Jesus. http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/june2012/stevew621.htm Truthfully I always wondered about this vision and why so many people put such prophetic "stock" in it - as if it were as sure a thing as Bible prophecy - be that as it may I do not despise prophecies and patiently wait to see if and how they are fulfilled. It occurred to me that the 5,6,7 and then eight being Jesus might not be calendar days as some have suggested but the heavenly signs that Mathman referred to - the 5th, 6th, 7th signs have just occurred, all we await is the eight, Jesus. Many on this forum and at RITAN have inquired if there will be an eighth heavenly sign - we may not be here to see it (I hope) but it may be the eighth sign heralding our departure was accurately reported by Jean S as Mercury (Gabriel) making its movement in heaven preparing to sound the trumpet. http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/june2012/jeans621-1.htm Another clue, Steve M asked a few days ago "is there a second Pentecost for those who are unclean and need to celebrate the second Passover" http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/june2012/stevem66.htm I confess I didn't have an answer and couldn't find one in the Bible so I didn't want to speculate based on my own opinion - but if you remember I started posting here at fivedoves because of my conviction that Pentecost, which had officially passed was still a high watch date for this year. http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/may2012/navi530.htm Then lo and behold I read GM's post regarding how if the second Passover was May 6 then the second Pentecost would be June 25th! http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/june2012/gm621-2.htm I did the math and GM is right - this could be significant in a "split fulfillment" of Pentecost on either end of the church age. The Jewish church was ceremonially clean and celebrated the first Passover with Yeshua and was given the Holy Spirit on Pentecost based on first Passover. The Gentile church could be considered "ceremonialy unclean" as some have suggested as we partake in Holy Communion commemorating the dead body of our Savior, in addition our Savior could qualify for being on a "long journey" another reason for celebrating the second, rather than the first passover, so logically if the Gentile church finds removal and fulfillment of Pentecost, perhaps it is a "second Pentecost" (June 25) while not specifically mentioned in the Bible -easy enough to calculate and logical, perhaps a mystery of God hidden until these latter days. Of course I must mention Elliot Hong's 4 day delay scenario. Much has been speculated concerning the summer solstice and add a four day delay as Elliot speculates and again, one keeps arriving at the June 25 date that keeps coming up. http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/may2012/ellioth530.htm I could not complete this letter without also mentioning another dear brother and workman of the Lord dividing His Word, Gerry Almond. Gerry's posts are always a must read and one can feel his heart breaking for the lost and those trusting in something less than the true grace, what I like to call "greasy grace" the kind of grace that tells you to keep on sinning, its OK. I add my voice to Gerry's and cry out to any with ears to hear - humble yourself and try to live a life worthy of the grace that has been given to you! Even a life of moments lived this way will please the Lord if you are contrite and sincere! Gerry's study of the Revelation 12 sign of the woman (Virgo) in the heavens which occurred 9 months ago at Rosh Hashanna is truly a must read. Again as I stated at the begginning regarding Mathman, like a lid of a puzzle box, bringing the solution nearer to completion. http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/june2012/gerrya67.htm Gerry's recent post admonishing all to prepare to meet the Lord in the air is also a worthy read, and also raises the possibility the the rapture should have occurred on the true 1st Pentecost June 4&5 when Pentecost had fully come, yet with a 21 delay we also arive at the June 25 date that seems unavoidable. http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/june2012/gerrya621-1.htm I want to close with these thoughts I have heard much from those on this forum and on RITAN that God will give us a 7 day warning before the rapture like He did before He sent judgement in Noah's day (Gen 7:1-10) Perhaps he did when you consider what mathman wrote and the last of the signs occuring June 18th I often wondered why we watchers have been allowed to remain this long to witness this world deteriorate into such a state of evil and then the Lord I feel revealed this to me. He always gives us what we ask for in a way. When He Thundered on Mt Sinai on Pentecost, the people were terrified and did not want Him to speak to them that way any more (Exodus 20:18-19) God said what they asked for was right and this is why we will only hear His voice through His new prophet like Moses, His Son Yeshua (Deut 18:15-16) Likewise when it was the desire of the human race to know good from evil (Genesis 3:6) God is filling this measure up of the cup to the fullest in this age - we watchers are seeing the measure of just how evil evil can be so that our heavenly home will be that much sweeter and we will always desire to choose the good even in a place where there will be no evil. Matthew 5:6 says blessed are those who hunger and thirst after righteousness for they shall be filled. Are you hungry yet? I am. I am hungry for the world where greedy corporations and the priveledged rich few do not oppress the poor. Where war between man and his brother is no more, where government does not oppress the governed and embezzle and waste the tax dollars from the hard working taxpayer. I hunger for a home where children do not go missing and are not molested by predators. I hunger for a home where life is cherished and babies are not aborted - I hunger and thirst for a righteous kingdom, I hunger and thirst for my Righteous King. If this watch date comes and goes as many others have do not be discouraged, Blessed are the poor in spirit, for thiers is the kingom of God (Matt 5:3) He knows we have little strength left and He is about to place that open door before us. Soon and very soon, Please feel free to share this with watchers on other forums. Maranatha! Baruch haba BShem Adonai! Remnant Navi