Cindy,
In your post at:
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/june2009/cindyb616-4.htm
Everyone agrees that the true Pentecost falls on the 29th of Tammuz and as Elaine wrote:
----according to the Lunar Sabbath theory (which I cannot discredit) Pentecost always falls on the 29th day of the 4th Hebrew month, (29th of Tammuz) which is always one day before the "no moon day" (the 30th day of the 4th month). Total solar eclipses always can ONLY occur on new moon days (note: what we call "new moon day” nowadays is equivalent to "no moon" day in Scriptures.
Ola wrote:
When we now add correctly, the 50th Day will fall on the 29th of Tammuz, a Sabbath Day. Which is the Lord's Day
This would be the 23rd of July 2009.
Here is my point and where the mistake was made: The 29th of Tammuz falls on July 21st, and not the 23rd of July! Here is the Hebrew Date Converter link:
http://www.hebcal.com/converter/?gd=5&gm=4&gy=2009&hd=29&hm=Tamuz&hy=5769&h2g=Compute+Gregorian+Date
Thank you, for bring out this valuable information!
B. G. Ellis
P.S. Cindy here is your post again:
Cindy Busch (16 June 2009)
"to Ola and Elaine: Pentecost July 21 or 23rd?????"
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/june2009/ola614.htm
Dear Ola,
I stand corrected, thank you for your WONDERFUL POST. You and Elaine are both INCREDIBLY THOUGHTFUL in your post and your research and it is much appreciated.
I can see that both of you were in the same line of thought. However, one lunar Sabbath theory varies from the other and perhaps now we have it narrowed down.
But what brings question to my mind is all the witnesses for “21”???? Which 21? What is the 21?
Valerie’s Sky Blue 21
David Daughtery’s vision of 21
Now John Tng’s daughter dream of 21
Plus a bunch more!
When I think of 21, the thought that came to my mind was the Summer Solstice and the Disney Movie “Escape to Witch Mountain”, the first one. Remember in the movie it was on the summer solstice that their space ship was revealed on Witch mountain and I think the two children left then too. I can’t quite remember but I was intrigued with movie as a kid. I thought it was very interesting that recently a remake of the movie was recently put out. There seems to be tons of New World Order connotations all over those movies, the hidden messages are pretty obvious to me. I would love for Lauren to take a stab at the movie, he is great at pulling out the hidden messages. All the space movies have NWO all over them including the recent star trek movie.
Did anyone notice that the star in the star trek symbol looks like the “jagged” star (pentagram) on the back of Obama’s head? I couldn’t help but notice it while watching the movie.
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Elaine you can probably see Ola’s reasoning better after you review his post below.
Elaine wrote:
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/june2009/elianeb611-2.htm
Why I am writing this? Because the according to the Lunar Sabbath theory (which I cannot discredit) Pentecost always falls on the 29th day of the 4th Hebrew month, which is always one day before the "no moon day" (the 30th day of the 4th month). Total solar eclipses always can ONLY occur on new moon days (note: what we call "new moon day" nowadays is equivalent to "no moon" day in Scriptures. In Scriptures, "new moon" is something different - it's equivalent to the day the first light of the new phase of the moon appears.) Why I am writing this? Because the according to the Lunar Sabbath theory (which I cannot discredit) Pentecost always falls on the 29th day of the 4th Hebrew month, which is always one day before the "no moon day" (the 30th day of the 4th month). Total solar eclipses always can ONLY occur on new moon days (note: what we call "new moon day" nowadays is equivalent to "no moon" day in Scriptures. In Scriptures, "new moon" is something different - it's equivalent to the day the first light of the new phase of the moon appears.)
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Ola wrote
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/june2009/ola614.htm
So why do I believe that the 23rd of July 2009 is the Day of Pentecost as suppose to the 21st or 22nd of July?
My 1st reason is that the Antichrist has risen to power out of the United States. Therefore the Jewish sighting of the New Moon to determine when a New Jewish Year is to begin, should also be from the United States.
The traditional Jewish Date for the 1st of Nisan for this Year is the 26th of March 2009.
On the other hand the 1st of Nisan for this Year, according to the sightings of the New Moon over the United States, is the 28th of March 2009. I believe this start Date to be correct if we are to locate the correct Day of Pentecost.
http://www.truthofyahweh.org/calendar.html
By having the 1st of Nisan fall on the 28th of March 2009 as suppose to the 26th of March, we discover everything falls into place perfectly.
For on TruthofYahweh Calendar the Day of First fruits falls on the 12th of April 2009. We therefore correctly count off the 7 Sabbaths to arrive at the 2nd June 2009.
On the TruthofYahweh Calendar, this is the 8th of Sivan...
This is were another mistake is made.
Arnold Bowen at:
http://lunarsabbath.info/_wsn/page4.html
Numbers 50 Days from the 9th of Sivan.
Troy Miller on the other hand, numbers 50 Days from the 10th of Sivan
http://www.creationcalendar.com/CalendarIssue/3WitnessCalendarCount.pdf
Who has the correct method of numbering the 50 Days?
With a bit of research I discovered that Troy Miller's method is the correct one.
The 9th of Sivan is not part of the 50 Days numbered!
Let me quote Leviticus Chapter 23 verse 15 and 16 from Tyndale's Old Testament Translation. It was published in 1530 A.D....
"Then ye shall count unto you from the morrow
(16th of Nisan which is the 12th of April 2009)
after the Sabbath
(15th of Nisan which is the 11th of April 2009),
from the Day in which ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering - Seven Sabbaths shall be complete;
even unto the morrow
(9th of Sivan which is the 3rd of June 2009)
after the seventh sabbath
(8th of Sivan which is the 2nd of June 2009)
shall ye number fifty Days. "
The phrase "Even unto the morrow...shall ye number fifty Days"
Means add 50 Days to the 9th of Sivan.
The 1st day of those 50 Days will therefore be the 10th of Sivan.
It is interesting to note that on the 10th Sivan which fell on the 4th of July 2009 (Ola, I think you meant June 4, 2009 here), Obama made a speech in Cairo.
In this speech he declared to the Moslem World that he is one of them. A Moslem!
When we now add correctly, the 50th Day will fall on the 29th of Tammuz, a Sabbath Day. Which is the Lord's Day
This would be the 23rd of July 2009.
Cindy Busch