TS: The federal law enforcement…I'm sorry, the Department of Homeland Security and I think the FBI will be coordinating on those. Let me explain a very important part of this plan, which is that you have to have the tamper-proof ID with biometric information. You know, there's a cottage industry in fake ID's. You know it and I know it. You go to the convenience store, and they hook you up with the social security number of somebody who's long dead, or maybe somebody who's even alive, and they patch in a picture, and suddenly they pretend like you're legitimate. There are a series of laws that have already made their way through that are going to require biometric information from everybody, real ID for U.S. citizens. And for those who are not citizens, or cannot provide proof of citizenship, they're still going to have to provide, they're going to have to submit for an ID card that will have a picture, that will have a fingerprint, and at the same time, also will have a valid social security or other identifying number. That goes into a federal database . Everything is cross-tabbed and checked to make sure that you're not faking. So one of the first steps is you've got to present yourself. And then, based on that information, now you're going to know who they are, where they work, you do the background checks. If you find a fingerprint, and it turns out that they're somebody who held up a liquor store, guess what? You get kicked out.

TS: Well, no, what it does, in point of fact, Hugh, is something that the law doesn't now do, which is to provide a comprehensive rendering of the folks who in fact are on our shores. And what it also does is gives us a greater ability to track and know who's here, and therefore if you have actionable intelligence, much greater ability to go after these folks. So no, I strongly dispute the characterization here. What we have is the situation right now where you've got millions in the shadows, you don't know who they are, you don't know whether they have real or illegitimate ID. All of a sudden, if you've got tamper-proof identification that does have a biometric marking, it does make it possible for you to go through and do some analysis, whether it is using Interpol data, or FBI data, or any other data. These all get put into the database, and therefore, you still have greater capability, not merely on the basis of physical evidence that you now are going to have, that you do not presently possess.

TS: If they're not here illegally, they have not presented the proper kind of ID, they haven't done, there are a whole series of things that the employers have to do. They have to do the verification. If they don't have the proper verification, and if the employees have not presented that tamper-proof ID, with the biometric information, then that employer's liable for a $5,000 dollar hit for each and every one of those employees. http://hughhewitt.townhall.com/Transcript_Page.aspx?ContentGuid=05e27db1-0060-42b9-a3e4-31b1f40aa2d0