Lee
(4 June
2005)
""SEVEN YEARS" between Rapture
and Second Coming?"
How I differ from those who claim (at least)
'seven years' after the Rapture to the Second Coming of Jesus
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pretribonly/message/3079
Subject: How I differ from those who claim (at least)
'seven years' after the Rapture to the Second Coming of Jesus--
The dividing point is in Revelation 4:1, where "Come
Up Here" is the order-- and that is claimed to be the point of the Rapture.
Actually, I agree. But where we dissent is in the first five seal judgments
of Revelation chapter six. Revelation chapters four and five are in heaven,
not on earth. Revelation six brings us back down to earth, and there are
specific verses regarding the 'beginning of sorrows' or 'birth pangs' in
Matthew 24, Luke 21 and other places. These specifically clarify the same
parallels that we see in the first five seal judgments. We KNOW these things
have gone on for 2000 years, since Jesus was here, and that they are escalating
in intensity and frequency now. We also can easily tell that they equate
with the first five seal judgments in Revelation six. But that's not all.
It's very clear that the sixth seal judgment has not happened, and if you
read the contents of it closely, you see the RAPTURE contained in these
verses. But even that's not all. Right after the completion of the sixth
seal judgment, still in Revelation chapter six, you notice that the wrath
of God begins. There's yet more. You also notice that the first verse of
Revelation chapter seven gives the half hour of silence that will happen
just after the Rapture and the chaos that results. And you notice this
again in the first verse of Revelation chapter eight. Revelation eight
allows the seventh seal judgment, which contains the trumpet judgments
from God's angels on assignment, to begin right after the half hour of
silence. You can also tell that the first several trumpet judgments will
involve asteroids or comets, and that there is the requested vengeance
on behalf of the martyred saints from the CURRENT fifth seal judgment,
who are NOW being placed under the altar begging for God to 'get 'em',
and the promise is that it will be done (right AFTER THE RAPTURE). Now,
back to Revelation chapter 7. This is tucked into the 'right after the
Rapture' events. Notice there are two groups mentioned here. There are
the 144,000 Jews who where JUST left behind because they were NOT Christians
(or "Messianic") and they become Christians REAL FAST. You can tell from
the verses at the end of Revelation chapter 6 that people know what just
happened, if they wish to acknowledge the truth. The become sealed, for
their service over the next three and one half years (and you notice in
Revelation chapter 14 that they have their OWN Rapture then, and the OTHER
group mentioned in Revelation fourteen are the martyred great tribulation
saints, and those who have died saved during THIS after the Rapture period).
The other group in Revelation chapter seven are clearly the dead in Christ
and the newly Raptured church or saints.
Now, that being clarified, there is a huge area of contention
I have with the ones who claim any seven year period. There is NOT a seven
year period left after the Rapture before Jesus' Second Coming. Yes, the
Rapture IS IMMINENT, we know that. But if you read and study Daniel nine,
there are only two references in the whole Bible to 'seven years', and
they, too, are clarified. The seventieth week mentioned in the verses before
Daniel 9:27 tell us that it is a seven year span, but when Jesus was 'cut
off' (crucified) the first three and one half years of it stopped. (That
was the length of time of His ministry.) This was 'not for his own sake'
--actually, it was for all of our sakes, esp. the Gentiles, who have been
added on, and wouldn't have been if the whole seven years had taken place
then, and then His millennial reign would have begun. Besides, look at
all of the other implications of His having NOT been crucified ("cut off")
-- none of us would even be saved! Anyway, we know that the seventieth
week of Daniel WILL RESUME, only under the horrible reign of the coming
Antichrist. So there are three and one half years left of that. Now, what
about the seven year covenant mentioned in Daniel 9:27? Well, even though
I am too lazy to look it up for spelling, the 'heptad' is not the same
seven year period as Daniel's 70th week. It is indeed seven years. But
it will be broken in the 'midst', and if you look at the verses in Daniel
chapter twelve, you can figure out that it will be broken 75 days into
it, not three and one half years into it. So there is the Rapture, and
75 days, then the three and one half years' long period known as great
tribulation, or the day of the Lord (beginning) or the time of Jacob's
(Israel's) trouble, and God's wrath actually will last three and one half
years plus 75 days. We know that the three and one half years are 360 day
years, 30 day months. THERE IS NO SEVEN YEAR PERIOD IN THERE LEFT AT ALL!
I believe the last three and one half years will begin with the fifth,
sixth and seventh trumpet judgments, called the three woes. The seventh
trumpet judgment, of course, contains the seven bowl or vial judgments.
It, too, has a pause before it, and I think Daniel 12 tells us it and the
seven horrible bowl or vial judgments begin 45 days before Jesus' second
coming. This means a couple of things- first of all, that the first four
trumpet judgments occur within a 75 day span, before the last three and
one half years, and after the Rapture of the church. It also, I think,
means the fifth trumpet judgment or first woe, will 'kick off' the last
three and one half years. The Antichrist will be in control, but the FIVE
MONTHS OF TORTURE FOR EVERYONE except the 144,000 newly sealed Jews will
begin. What a test of faith! It also means the 144,000 sealed Jews will
be Raptured, as indicated in Revelation chapter 14, 45 days before the
Second Coming. The beheaded, martyred great tribulation saints will also
be in heaven at the wedding feast by this time. The only ones left alive
after this who will be saved will be the elect remnant, and those COULD
all be Jews hiding at Petra or Bozrah, although I believe there are indications
that perhaps a few other survivors will be around in other places. -"Cheyenne
Cin"- P.S. SUMMARY: The first five seal judgments are going on NOW, and
are the same as the BIRTH PANGS OR BEGINNING OF SORROWS. The RAPTURE
is IMMINENT, but begins during the sixth seal judgment. (I also believe
there are indications this will be in synchrony with the attempted invasion
of Gog and Magog in Ezekiel 38 and 39, when God will supernaturally intervene
on behalf of Israel, and that the coastlands of America will likely be
attacked, as indicated from a verse there, too.) I do NOT believe there
is a seven year period left until the Second Coming of Jesus, but instead
three and one half years plus 75 days. I believe the Bible to be clear
and specific about this. This STILL gives leverage for the Revelation 4:1
Rapture, but the 'seven year' people are ignoring the other facts.