YOU SAID:   In Joel chapter 2 a vivid description is given of some
kind of supernatural army, one that God calls 'his army'. Many have
speculated that this is the same as the "northern army" mentioned in
verse 20, However, this is not correct...this army are those who
have inherited the immortal state at what we call the Rapture. Much
of the description of this army is to emphasize that it is
Supernatural. The surroundings portrayed in these verses are bad
indeed. There is much destruction all around them. But they are not
harmed and cannot be killed. And, yes, they are here on the earth
are are involved in bringing in the great harvest.
 

REPLY:   Here we go again.......another theory has just surfaced to

make the pre-trib rapture.......our blessed hope......into a lie

and a sham......but it will all prove to be vain........because the

pre-trib rapture is true and will happen......VERY VERY SOON whether

or not people choose to believe it.......Now I came to 5D to read

letters of edification......only to read that I will be turned into

Joel's army and stay on the earth during the trib....when Jesus tells

me........"Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God,

believe also in me. In my Father's house are many mansions: if it

were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and

RECEIVE YOU UNTO MYSELF; that WHERE I AM, there YE MAY BE ALSO" Jn.14

This is the promise Jesus made to me and to all those who choose to

believe in His imminent return at the rapture......that He will be

coming to take us to Heaven to dwell with Him there......this is also

the exact same messaege a Jewish bridegroom will tell his fiance b/4

leaving her.......that he is going to prepare a place for her where

they will both dwell together.......and then when all is ready and

set he returns in the night with the soundings of shofar to steal

away his bride from her mother's house......and that is exactly what

Jesus is going to do right before he begins the time of Jacob's

trouble........the bride is not Jacob who is blindfolded at this

moment.......the bride has eyes to see and she is busy preparing

herself for the marriage of the Lamb.......therefore she will not be

on earth during the tribulation......but rather in the Heavenly

bridal chamber with Jesus until the 7 days/years of tribulation are

past...it is very well emphasized in the following verse..."Come, my

people, ENTER THOU INTO THY CHAMBERS, and shut thy doors about thee:

hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation

be overpast. For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish

the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also

shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain." Isa.

26:20-21......It is also prophesied in the following verses that the

righteous will be hid in a secret place during a future time of

wrath........."For in the time of trouble he shall hide me in his

pavilion: IN THE SECRET PLACE OF HIS TABERNACLE SHALL HE HIDE ME; he

shall set me up upon a rock." Ps. 27:5......."Thou shalt hide them

in the secret of thy presence from the pride of man: thou shalt keep

them secretly in a pavilion from the strife of tongues." Ps.

31:20.........These are all prophesies that speak of the promise of

our rapture flight from earth into Heaven's secret chambers.....that

is why the verse in revelation boldly declares......"Therefore

REJOICE, YE HEAVENS, AND YE THAT DWELL IN THEM. Woe to the

inhabiters of the earth and of the sea!.....Rev. 12:12.....This

clearly tells me that earth will not be the residence of the bride

of christ during the tribulation since a world wide WOE is decreed

upon the whole earth and its inhabitants.....regardless of who they

are.......Now speaking of Joel's army......I have always realized

that folks love to use those armies as proof that it speaks of an end

time church related army that will encompass the earth and save

mankind......but is that who those armies are?..........well.....we

shall examine who they are and realize that those armies are not what

some think they are but rather an assemblage of ferocius nations

whom God will summon to destroy a particular country......namely

endtime Babylon......which is evidently America.......those armies

are not only spoken of in Joel but are also spoken of in Isaiah in

the following way......"Lift up a banner on the high mountain, Raise

your voice to them; Wave your hand, that they may enter the gates of

the nobles. I have commanded My sanctified ones; I have also called

My mighty ones for My anger--Those who rejoice in My exaltation."

The noise of a multitude in the mountains, Like that of many people!

A tumultuous noise of the KINGDOMS OF NATIONS GATHERED TOGETHER! The

LORD of hosts MUSTERS The ARMY FOR BATTLE. They come from a far

country, From the end of heaven--The LORD and His WEAPONS OF

INDIGNATION, to DESTROY THE WHOLE LAND."Isa. 13:2-5(NKJV).....This

clearly tells one that these armies are not some friendly people

that out there to save people.......but rather they are God's

instruments of wrath against a rebellious country.....sort of like

the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple by the Romans in 70

A.D......in that sense, the Romans were God's army or instruments

of wrath upon rebellious Israel at that point in time......we also

see a reference of Joel's army spoken of by the prophet Jeremiah

against endtime Babylon(America) in the following way......"The LORD

of hosts hath sworn by himself, saying, Surely I will fill thee with

men, as with caterpillers; and they shall lift up a shout against

thee. Jer. 51:14.......This clearly tells us the purpose of these

armies whom the Lord has assembled......and that is that He will use

them to destroy the greatest country that ever existed on the face

of the earth......namely......endtime Babylon.....America.

ybiC,
Cliff!