Rich E.(12 July 2012)
RE: "God is closing in on His enemies...look up, that means we are to be taken home"

The 42 months period (1,260 days) of GREAT tribulation has not yet begun.  It begins with the declaration of the man of sin that he is God, while in the temple of God IN THE MIDDLE OF DANIEL'S 70th WEEK.  This has obviously not happened yet. 

In the post the question was asked "So, what is the solution and why are we still here?" , since this post believes that we are halfway through Daniel's 70th week.

The reason is that there IS NO WAY Daniel's 70th week has started.  Why you may ask? Because God DOES NOT deal with the Church and the Jews AT THE SAME TIME as I will show you in a moment.

Even though last possible positioning for the timeline of 2008 to 2015 to work has come and gone, where "O's" campaign speech was supposedly the confirmation of the treaty and where this timeline began, people still try to hold onto this scenario. As TV's MythBusters would say: "This scenario is BUSTED". It's NO GOOD. I'm not saying that "O" is not the AC but just that nothing has started yet.



How God never deals with the Jews and the Church during this time can be seen in Romans 11:25 which says:

"For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in".


Blindness came to the Jews during the dispensation of Grace where God is dealing with the Church. God CANNOT deal with the Jew until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in because until then, the Jews are BLINDED and cannot be fair participants in anything with God unless of course... He removes the blindness. When does He removes the blindness? According to this verse when the fullness of the Gentiles comes in - at the rapture.

The timeline should be: RAPTURE - REMOVAL OF JEWS BLINDNESS - START OF DANIEL'S 70th WEEK (7 years). Whether these are simultaneous or separated by days or weeks it doesn't matter. We'll be with the Lord.

Now let's look at the next two items mentioned.
1.  Two witnesses, one of which is Elijah, must come.
2.  144,000 Jewish evangelists must be sealed.

In Rev 7:3-4 we see the 144,000 witnesses being sealed before any of the tribulation begins.

3 saying, “Do not harm the earth, the sea, or the trees till we have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads.” 4 And I heard the number of those who were sealed. One hundred and forty-four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel were sealed.


In Rev 11:3-7 we see the 2 witnesses ministering for 1260 days until they are killed by the anti-christ.

3: And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy one thousand two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth.”

7:When they finish their testimony, the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit will make war against them, overcome them, and kill them.


Then following this in Rev 12:6 we see Israel (the woman) going into the wilderness for another 1260 days.

6: "Then the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, that they should feed her there one thousand two hundred and sixty days"


70th week of Daniel’s prophecy cannot have started, the mid point was NOT April 11/12, 2012 and we are NOT INTO even the first half of Daniel’s count and therefore obvious that we are NOWHERE NEAR the last half of Daniel’s prophecy.  Daniel's 70th week can ONLY happen after God removes their blindness once we, the church, are gone.

The original post thinks that the reason that the church is still here may be anything but the obvious - THAT THIS TIMELINE IS DEFUNCT and we are NOT in the 70th week.

israel will flee at mid-trib when the two witnesses are killed and the anti-christ seats himself in the temple. It is the Tetrads that foretells the danger to Israel and they are situated around the middle of Daniel's week to warn them of the AC and not near the end when his work would be near completion.

Once again ....whether it's the tribulation or Daniel's 70th week - NEITHER HAS STARTED. God cannot fairly deal with the Jews UNTIL He removes their blindness which does not happen UNTIL He is DONE with the Gentiles or when the fullness of the Gentiles comes in - at the time of the Rapture.


Whether the Rapture of the Church is the 7th, 9th or 10th of Av, I have no idea. All I know is that.. 



Rich E.