Robert Belanger (12 July 2011)
"Re: Eliane B. on Next Feast"

Dear Eliane and Doves,

 

Please accept my apology for writing so as to be mis-understood to be rude or discourteous to you or anyone else. That was definitely not my intent at all and I am shocked and surprised that my words were taken in any way except respectful for everyone here on the Five Doves web site.

 

My comment about being taken seriously referred only to the argument itself -- for the Pentecost being the time for the rapture of the Bride, not at all toward you or anyone else. I am interested in knowing what the Bible says about the rapture and made my comments from that viewpoint.

 

I will now provide two quotations from pastors whose opinions on the matter I respect and do not disagree with, since they have both spent their lifetime studying the Word and how it should be interpreted. These excerpts present a doctrinal position of the rapture being at the time of the Feast of Trumpets that makes sense to me and that I can understand.  In Acts 2:1 we read “And when the day of Pentecost was FULLY come…” (my emphasis added) then the rest of the actions took place, i.e., the descent of the Holy Spirit, and the start of the dispensation of grace.

 

You are, of course, fully entitled to your own positions regarding the rapture timing. However, if you are open to consideration of other opinions, based on Scripture, then please read the following excerpts prayerfully. The doctrinal position they present is based as you will read on the understanding that Pentecost started the dispensation of grace that we now are living in.   

 

These excerpts are not of my own writing. They were written by authors with doctorate degrees in divinity and are considered reputable Christian leaders by many persons. The first writer is Dr. John Hagee who represents a current viewpoint. The second writer is Dr. Clarence Larkin who represents a viewpoint that was formulated at the early part of the twentieth century.

 

http://www.therapturesite.com/feasts.htm

(John Hagee, Final Dawn Over Jerusalem, pp. 165-191)

“While the first four festivals occur in close proximity, an entire season
passes before the fall commemoration of trumpets begins. This long period
represents the dispensation of grace that we now live in. Of all the feasts,
this is the only time span that cannot be exactly determined. This period is
the one we are currently living in, the period of time where we wait for the
angels to blow God's great trumpet that will call the Bride of Christ (The
Body of True Believers) to her mansions on high. The Rapture of the
Church is very near!

“In this interim as we wait between Pentecost and Trumpets, Jesus Christ,
our Bridegroom, returned to His father's house (as is Jewish custom) to
prepare everything for our arrival.

“And when I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will
take you to myself, that where I am you may be also.
John 14:3

 

Here is the second excerpt taken from Dr. Larkin's book.

 

http://www.raptureforums.com/ClarenceLarkin/chap30.cfm

Clarence Larkin – Dispensational Truth – Chapter 30

“The Interval.

“Between the Feast of Pentecost and the Feast of Trumpets there was an interval of four months during which the Harvest and Vintage were gathered in. There was no convocation of the people during those busy months. This long "Interval" typifies the "Present Dispensation" in which the Holy Spirit is gathering out the elect of the Church, and during which Israel is scattered among the Nations. When the Present Dispensation has run its course, and the "Fulness of the Gentiles" has been gathered in (Rom. 11:25) along with the "remnant according to the election of grace" of Israel (Rom. 11:5), then this "Dispensation of Grace" will end, and the elect of Israel will be gathered back from the four quarters of the earth to keep the Feast of Trumpets at Jerusalem. Matt. 24:31.

“5. The Feast of Trumpets.

“The Feast of Trumpets, which was observed on the first day of the Seventh month, ushered in the second series of the "set feasts." It fell on a Sabbath day, at the time of the New Moon, and ushered in the Jewish New Year. It was followed by the "Day of Atonement', a on the 10th day of the month, and by the "Feast of Tabernacles" which began on the 15th day of the month, a Sabbath day, and ended on the 22d day of the month, which was also a Sabbath day. It was ushered in with the blowing of Trumpets. During the Wilderness Wandering two silver Trumpets, made of the atonement money of the people, were blown for the "calling of the Assembly, " and for the "journeyings of the Camps." Num. 10:1-3.

“The fact that the Feast of Trumpets comes immediately at the close of the "Interval" between the two series of "set feasts" is not without significance. As we have seen the "Interval" represents this "Dispensation of Grace, " and we know that two things are to happen at the close of this Dispensation. First the Church is to be caught out, and secondly Israel is to be gathered back to their own land. When the Church is caught out "The Lord Himself shall descend from Heaven with a shout, with the voice of the Archangel, and with the Trump of God" (1Thes. 4:16), and "We shall not all sleep (die), but we (who are then alive) shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the Last Trump; for the Trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed " 1Cor. 15:51, 1Cor. 15:52.

YBIC,

 

Robert

ear Elaine,

 

Please accept my apology for writing so as to be understood to be rude or discourteous to you or anyone else. That was definitely not my intent at all. My comment about being taken seriously referred only to the argument itself -- for the Pentecost being the time for the rapture of the Bride, not at all toward you or anyone else. I am interested in knowing what the Bible says about the rapture and I will provide two quotations from pastors whose opinions on the matter I respect and cannot disagree with, since they have both spent their lifetime studying the Word and how it should be interpreted.

 

These excerpts present a doctrinal position of the rapture being at the time of the Feast of Trumpets that makes sense to me and that I can understand. To think of Pentecost as being incomplete does not. Actually, in Acts 2:1 we read “And when the day of Pentecost was FULLY come…” (my emphasis added) then the rest of the actions took place, i.e., the descent of the Holy Spirit, etc.

 

Elaine, I have no interest in personally debating any view, just to remind us all that picking and choosing specific verses as proof texts is not wise. The entire teaching of the Bible is from God and any interpretation must be reviewed in the light of all of the Holy Scripture, not just one or two verses. If we were to pick and choose what to believe, without consideration for context and the entire Bible, then we could say the Bible states (taken out of context) that there is no God! (Psalm 53:1 “The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God…”)

 

Please read these excerpts prayerfully and know that the verses you provide as justification for Pentecost were also known by these authors and given careful consideration, together with all of the verses in the Bible and the overall context of the statements before they formulated their positions.  

 

The first excerpt is from Dr. John Hagee and represents a currently popular viewpoint. The second is from Dr. Clarence Larkin and represents a viewpoint that was formulated at the early part of the twentieth century.

 

http://www.therapturesite.com/feasts.htm

(John Hagee, Final Dawn Over Jerusalem, pp. 165-191)

“While the first four festivals occur in close proximity, an entire season
passes before the fall commemoration of trumpets begins. This long period
represents the dispensation of grace that we now live in. Of all the feasts,
this is the only time span that cannot be exactly determined. This period is
the one we are currently living in, the period of time where we wait for the
angels to blow God's great trumpet that will call the Bride of Christ (The
Body of True Believers) to her mansions on high. The Rapture of the
Church is very near!

“In this interim as we wait between Pentecost and Trumpets, Jesus Christ,
our Bridegroom, returned to His father's house (as is Jewish custom) to
prepare everything for our arrival.

“And when I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will
take you to myself, that where I am you may be also.
John 14:3

Here is the second excerpt.

 

http://www.raptureforums.com/ClarenceLarkin/chap30.cfm

Clarence Larkin – Dispensational Truth – Chapter 30

“The Interval.

“Between the Feast of Pentecost and the Feast of Trumpets there was an interval of four months during which the Harvest and Vintage were gathered in. There was no convocation of the people during those busy months. This long "Interval" typifies the "Present Dispensation" in which the Holy Spirit is gathering out the elect of the Church, and during which Israel is scattered among the Nations. When the Present Dispensation has run its course, and the "Fulness of the Gentiles" has been gathered in (Rom. 11:25) along with the "remnant according to the election of grace" of Israel (Rom. 11:5), then this "Dispensation of Grace" will end, and the elect of Israel will be gathered back from the four quarters of the earth to keep the Feast of Trumpets at Jerusalem. Matt. 24:31.

“5. The Feast of Trumpets.

“The Feast of Trumpets, which was observed on the first day of the Seventh month, ushered in the second series of the "set feasts." It fell on a Sabbath day, at the time of the New Moon, and ushered in the Jewish New Year. It was followed by the "Day of Atonement', a on the 10th day of the month, and by the "Feast of Tabernacles" which began on the 15th day of the month, a Sabbath day, and ended on the 22d day of the month, which was also a Sabbath day. It was ushered in with the blowing of Trumpets. During the Wilderness Wandering two silver Trumpets, made of the atonement money of the people, were blown for the "calling of the Assembly, " and for the "journeyings of the Camps." Num. 10:1-3.

“The fact that the Feast of Trumpets comes immediately at the close of the "Interval" between the two series of "set feasts" is not without significance. As we have seen the "Interval" represents this "Dispensation of Grace, " and we know that two things are to happen at the close of this Dispensation. First the Church is to be caught out, and secondly Israel is to be gathered back to their own land. When the Church is caught out-"The Lord Himself shall descend from Heaven with a shout, with the voice of the Archangel, and with the Trump of God" (1Thes. 4:16), and "We shall not all sleep (die), but we (who are then alive) shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the Last Trump; for the Trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed " 1Cor. 15:51, 1Cor. 15:52.

YBIC,

 

Robert