Marilyn Agee (18 July 2011)
""Yehonatan"s keeper, Sept 2011 start of last 7 years""


From: Marilyn Agee
Re: Frank R Molver (15 July 2011)
"Yehonatan"s keeper, Sept 2011 start of last 7 years"
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/july2011/frankm715-1.htm

Hi:
> > PLEASE NOTE: these are texts and writings of Hebrew Scholars; THIS IS NOT MY ATTEMPT TO PROPHECY OR DATE SET!! For "WHO KNOWS THE MIND OF THE LORD"
 
And yet, in Mark 13:23, Yeshua said, "But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you ALL things." If he foretold ALL things, the clues to figure out when the Rapture will be are in Scripture somewhere. I keep looking.
 
> > 1. The birth of John – Passover 4BC calculated by scripture and Josephus (a secular historian) references to Herod's death....
> > 2. 6 months later the birth of Christ – Just happens to be the first day of the Feast of Tabernacles Sept 11, 3BC

I don't think you mean that. Christ was born BEFORE Herod died a few days after the eclipse of March 13, 4 BC. I think Yeshua was born on the Feast of Trumpets, Sept 4, 5 BC.
 
The night of Sept 4, 5 BC, Virgo was clothed with the Sun and the Moon was at her feet. I just checked that again on YourSky, but for some reason, I can't paste the image in here. That sign in Rev 12 shows us that he was born on Trumpets. That sign occurs every 4 or 5 years on Trumpets, but not on Tabernacles. Yeshua was conceived on Hanukkah. Gestation is usually 280 days.
 
You know a lot about writings of Hebrew scholars. I'm interested in finding out more about those.
 
I have a question. Do you have any idea when Passover began to be kept on Nisan 15? Lev 23:4,5 shows that it should be Nisan 14. The 7-day Feast of Unleavened Bread started on Nisan 15. They ate unleavened bread 8 days, including Passover.
 
As you know, in Egypt, the Israelites killed the lamb, put blood on the door frame, roasted and ate the lamb before midnight. That midnight was just 6 hours after Nisan 14 began. If they had waited to kill, roast and eat the lamb on Nisan 15, they would have died at midnight on Nisan 14.
 
Maybe the Pharisees kept Passover on Nisan 15 after 70 AD, but what about in 30 AD, the year of the Crucifixion? Did the Sadducees keep Passover on Nisan 14, and the Pharisees keep it on Nisan 15 in 30 AD? or did the Sadducees over rule the Pharisees? I wish I knew when and why the Nisan 15 tradition got started. No one seems to want to fix it, and they read Lev 23:4,5. What do they think when they read about Nisan 14?
 
Here is the problem as far as I can tell. Where the KJV says, "AT EVEN", the Stone Tanach says "IN THE AFTERNOON".
 
Lev 23:5,6 (KJV) says, "In the fourteenth day of the first month AT EVEN (ereb, dusk) is the LORD'S passover. 6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread."

Lev 23:5 (JPS) says, "In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month AT DUSK, is the LORD'S passover."

Lev 23:5 (LITV) says, "In the first month, on the fourteenth of the month, BETWEEN THE EVENINGS is the Passover to Jehovah."

The Apostolic Bible Polyglot says "between the evenings". "InG1722 theG3588 firstG4413 month,G3376 onG1722 theG3588 fourteenthG5065 dayG2250 of theG3588 month,G3376 betweenG303.1 theG3588 eveningsG2073.1 is a passoverG3957 to theG3588 lord .G2962."
 
Between the evenings means between 3 PM on Nisan 13 and 6 PM when Nisan 14 began. Thus fits Crucifixion Day. About 3 PM on Nisan 13, Yeshua died as the priests started killing the Passover lambs. They had to be roasted and eaten during the first 6 hours of Nisan 14, from 6 PM to midnight.
 
Lev 23:5,6 (Stone Edition Tanach) says, "In the first month on the fourteenth of the month IN THE AFTERNOON is the time of the pesach-offering to HASHEM. And on the fifteenth day of this month is the Festival of Matzos to HASHEM; you shall eat Matzos for a seven-day period."
 
Their "IN THE AFTERNOON" seems to be wrong." Do you happen to know where that came from?
 
> > BUT - *Yom Teruah –* IS the Jewish Feast of which "no-one knows the day or the hour, not even the angels in heaven know ". Also called: the day of the great shout, the day of awe, the day of trumpets - "THE HIDDEN DAY" .. It is also called: The Time of Jacobs trouble, The Day of the Awakening Blast, Day of Judgment, The Opening of the Books, Opening of the Gates, Yom HaKeseh (The Hidden Day), Ha Kiddushin/Nesuin (Wedding of the Messiah) and Ha Melech (Coronation of the Messiah).
I agree. I'm glad it is the day of the Wedding of the Messiah. It is also the great and terrible Day of the Lord, and the day of the Last-Trump Rapture of the Tribulation saints, including the 144,000 Israelites (Rev 6:17; 7:14).
 
> > 7. We find this year has something VERY interesting that occurs on the Yom Teruah Feast 2011 - The Mo'edim (appointed times) in the stars show Virgo has the sun behind her and the moon at her feet on September 29th, 2011 as per Revelations vision (coincidence?).

No, it is not coincidence, it was planned carefully before the world began. That sign sure makes this particular Feast of Trumpets special. I'm looking forward to that day, hoping it will be the day of the First-Trump Rapture (I Thess 4:16,17). At the end of the Tribulation, the Feast of Trumpets will be the day of the Last-Trump Rapture (I Cor 15:51-54). Thus, both groups would have as a birthstone the sapphire that means heaven.
 
> > 10. Did you know that the Planet/Comet Elenin will pass directly between Earth and the Sun on Sept 28th-30th, 2011. Some suggest that this will black out the Sun for up to 3 days - Just in time for Yom Teruah..
I didn't think about that. Thanks. What a sign that will be. Sept 28th-30th, 2011 is perfect. Elenin, Earth and Sun lined up March 11, 2011, when a 9.0 earthquake moved Japan's Honshu Island over 8 feet and caused a dreadful tsunami. I read some place that Mercury, Sun and Elenin are supposed to line up on Sept 25, and that Earth, Elenin and Mars are supposed to line up on Sept 26. Great signs even if nothing else happens.
 
Do you know why the shofar is sounded exactly 100 times on the feast day? I understand that the 100th shofar is the Last Trumpet, and that the First Trumpet is sounded on Pentecost, and the Great Trump on Day of Atonement. However, I don't know why or when that tradition started. I'm trying to find out.
 
> > it is customary to blow the shofar (ram's horn) every day (except for Shabbat). This practice was adopted to awaken us for the coming High Holidays.
 
Thanks for telling why. I have read that they do not blow the trumpet on the Eve of Trumpets.
 
> > I would personally LOVE to believe that the whole world (or maybe even just the Christians) would hear the days of Trumps from Heaven and just be awake, aware and fully prepared for the LAST TRUMP!! Talk about a last minute revival !! I wonder if it will occur this year ?? HOPEFULLY

I hope the First-Trump Rapture of I Thess 4:16,17 will be on Trumpets Sept 29, 2011, and the Last-Trump Rapture of I Cor 15:51-54 will be on Trumpets Sept 14, 2015. The signs are looking good so far.
 
> > I just love how Abraham was born 1948 years after Adam and then Israel was 1948 after Jesus (the second Adam).. haha
 
I thought Abram/Abraham was born in 2008 AH. My figures are below. Where did I go wrong? You have an advantage over me, because you know the Jewish writings. Do you have a suggestion of what I should read?
Here is part of my Bible Chronology posted on my web site:
0 AH = 4043 BC = -283 on Jewish calendar. Adam created on last day of 0 AH. New moon was Fri, 17 min, 2 parts, after 4 PM. Since new moon was after noon, New Year Day would have been shifted to Sat., when the Lord rested the 7th day.
1 A.H. = 4043/42 B.C. Beginning of the 40-year Dispensation of Innocence. According to Jewish tradition, Adam was created on Tishri 1, but it seems to me that he was created Friday, September 18, equal to the Jewish Elul 29, the Preparation for the Feast of Trumpets. It could have been just minutes before Tishri 1 began at sunset. I think that God rested from creation Saturday, September 19, equal to the Jewish Tishri 1, the Jewish Sabbath, New Year and Feast of Trumpets. Thus with creation finished, the new "kosmos" began to operate on the Jewish New Year that began Friday evening.
    (4042 AH = 2/1 BC, 4043 AH = 1 BC/1 AD, there is no zero year)
40 AH = 4004/3 BC = -243 Jewish. Adam expelled from the Garden of Eden. Beginning of the first 1000-year Day, the 2000-year Age of Gentiles, and the 1616-year Dispensation of Conscience.
130 AH = 3913 BC Seth born when Adam was 130 years old (Genesis 5:3)
235 AH = 3808 BC Enos born when Seth was 105 (Gen 5:6)
282 AH = 3762/61 BC = -1 Jewish
283 AH = 3761/60 BC = +1 Jewish, Jewish calendar began Oct 7, 3761 BC
325 AH Cainan born when Enos was 90 (Gen 5:9)
395 AH Mahalaleel born when Cainan was 70 (Gen 5:12)
460 AH Jared born when Mahalaleel was 65 (Gen 5:15)
622 AH = 3421 BC Enoch born when Jared was 162 (Gen 5:18)
DOUBLE CHECK: "And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam" (Jude 14). None are left out. None can be added.
687 AH = 3356 BC Methuselah born when Enoch was 65 (Gen 5:21)
874 AH Lamech born when Methuselah was 187 (Gen 5:25)
930 AH = 3113 BC Adam died when 930 (Gen 5:5). (He would have passed on the information the Lord gave him to Lamech, who would have passed it on to Noah.)
987 AH = Enoch's Rapture when 365 years old, 669 years before the Flood
1040 AH = 3003 BC. Beginning of second 1000-year Day
1056 AH = 2987 BC Noah born when Lamech was 182 (Gen 5:28)
1558 AH Shem born (Gen 11:10). (Noah born 1056 AH. He was 600 when flood began. Flood was in 1656 AH. Shem was 100 two yrs after Flood, so was 98 when Flood began. Therefore, he was born 1558 AH when Noah was 502)
1651 AH Lamech died at 777 (Gen 5:31), 5 yrs before the Flood
1656 AH = 2387 BC The Flood after Methuselah died at 969 (Gen 7:27), when Noah was 600 (Gen 7:6).
Beginning of the 427-year Dispensation of Human Government
DOUBLE CHECK:Methuselah lived 969 years and then the Flood came, Genesis 5:27. (687 AH + 969 = 1656 AH).
DOUBLE CHECK: Noah was 600 yrs old when the Flood came, Gen 7:6. (1056 AH + 600 = 1656 AH).
DOUBLE CHECK: Adam lived 930 yrs. Methuselah lived 969 yrs. Their lives overlapped 243 yrs. (930 + 969 = 1899 - 1656 to Flood = 243, making any changes difficult)

Post-diluvian Patriarchs

1658 AH Arphaxad born to Shem 2 years after the Flood when Shem was 100 (Gen 11:10)
DOUBLE CHECK: Shem was 100. (1558 AH + 100 = 1658)
1693 AH Salah born when Arphaxad was 35 (Gen 11:12)
1723 AH Eber born when Salah was 30 (Gen 11:14)
1757 AH = 2286 BC Peleg born when Eber was 34 (Gen 11:16)
1787 AH Reu born when Peleg was 30 (Gen 11:18)
1819 AH Serug born when Reu was 32 (Gen 11:20)
1849 AH Nahor born when Serug was 30 (Gen 11:22)
1878 AH = 2165 BC Terah born when Nahor was 29 (Gen 11:24)
1996 AH = 2047 BC Peleg died when 239 (Gen 11:18,19). "in his days was the earth divided," the continents split apart.

Hebrew Patriarchs

2008 AH = 2035 BC Abram born when Terah was 130 (Gen 11:26-32; Gen 12:4; Acts 7:4).
DOUBLE CHECK: Terah was born in 1878 AH and lived to be 205. At his death, Abram left Haran, so he died in 2083 AH when Abram was 75. AH 2083 - 75 = 2008 AH, when Abram was born when Terah was 130. AH 2008 - 130 = 1878 AH, when Terah was born. Dr. Arnold D. Ehlert, head of BIOLA library when I began my studies in earnest, in his "Syllabus of Bible Chronology," said, "Up to this point there is perfect agreement in arriving at the date 2008 A.H. as the date of Abram's birth by Anstey, Panin and Ussher."
0 AH = 4043 BC = -283 on Jewish calendar. Adam created on last day of 0 AH. New moon was Fri, 17 min, 2 parts, after 4 PM. Since new moon was after noon, New Year Day would have been shifted to Sat., when the Lord rested the 7th day.
1 A.H. = 4043/42 B.C. Beginning of the 40-year Dispensation of Innocence. According to Jewish tradition, Adam was created on Tishri 1, but it seems to me that he was created Friday, September 18, equal to the Jewish Elul 29, the Preparation for the Feast of Trumpets. It could have been just minutes before Tishri 1 began at sunset. I think that God rested from creation Saturday, September 19, equal to the Jewish Tishri 1, the Jewish Sabbath, New Year and Feast of Trumpets. Thus with creation finished, the new "kosmos" began to operate on the Jewish New Year that began Friday evening.

(4042 AH = 2/1 BC, 4043 AH = 1 BC/1 AD, there is no zero year)
40 AH = 4004/3 BC = -243 Jewish. Adam expelled from the Garden of Eden. Beginning of the first 1000-year Day, the 2000-year Age of Gentiles, and the 1616-year Dispensation of Conscience.
130 AH = 3913 BC Seth born when Adam was 130 years old (Genesis 5:3)
235 AH = 3808 BC Enos born when Seth was 105 (Gen 5:6)
282 AH = 3762/61 BC = -1 Jewish
283 AH = 3761/60 BC = +1 Jewish, Jewish calendar began Oct 7, 3761 BC
325 AH Cainan born when Enos was 90 (Gen 5:9)
395 AH Mahalaleel born when Cainan was 70 (Gen 5:12)
460 AH Jared born when Mahalaleel was 65 (Gen 5:15)
622 AH = 3421 BC Enoch born when Jared was 162 (Gen 5:18)
DOUBLE CHECK: "And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam" (Jude 14). None are left out. None can be added.
687 AH = 3356 BC Methuselah born when Enoch was 65 (Gen 5:21)
874 AH Lamech born when Methuselah was 187 (Gen 5:25)
930 AH = 3113 BC Adam died when 930 (Gen 5:5). (He would have passed on the information the Lord gave him to Lamech, who would have passed it on to Noah.)
987 AH = Enoch's Rapture when 365 years old, 669 years before the Flood
1040 AH = 3003 BC. Beginning of second 1000-year Day
1056 AH = 2987 BC Noah born when Lamech was 182 (Gen 5:28)
1558 AH Shem born (Gen 11:10). (Noah born 1056 AH. He was 600 when flood began. Flood was in 1656 AH. Shem was 100 two yrs after Flood, so was 98 when Flood began. Therefore, he was born 1558 AH when Noah was 502)
1651 AH Lamech died at 777 (Gen 5:31), 5 yrs before the Flood
1656 AH = 2387 BC The Flood after Methuselah died at 969 (Gen 7:27), when Noah was 600 (Gen 7:6).

Beginning of the 427-year Dispensation of Human Government
DOUBLE CHECK:Methuselah lived 969 years and then the Flood came, Genesis 5:27. (687 AH + 969 = 1656 AH).
DOUBLE CHECK: Noah was 600 yrs old when the Flood came, Gen 7:6. (1056 AH + 600 = 1656 AH).
DOUBLE CHECK: Adam lived 930 yrs. Methuselah lived 969 yrs. Their lives overlapped 243 yrs. (930 + 969 = 1899 - 1656 to Flood = 243, making any changes difficult)

Post-diluvian Patriarchs

1658 AH Arphaxad born to Shem 2 years after the Flood when Shem was 100 (Gen 11:10)
DOUBLE CHECK: Shem was 100. (1558 AH + 100 = 1658)
1693 AH Salah born when Arphaxad was 35 (Gen 11:12)
1723 AH Eber born when Salah was 30 (Gen 11:14)
1757 AH = 2286 BC Peleg born when Eber was 34 (Gen 11:16)
1787 AH Reu born when Peleg was 30 (Gen 11:18)
1819 AH Serug born when Reu was 32 (Gen 11:20)
1849 AH Nahor born when Serug was 30 (Gen 11:22)
1878 AH = 2165 BC Terah born when Nahor was 29 (Gen 11:24)
1996 AH = 2047 BC Peleg died when 239 (Gen 11:18,19). "in his days was the earth divided," the continents split apart.

Hebrew Patriarchs

2008 AH = 2035 BC Abram born when Terah was 130 (Gen 11:26-32; Gen 12:4; Acts 7:4).
DOUBLE CHECK: Terah was born in 1878 AH and lived to be 205. At his death, Abram left Haran, so he died in 2083 AH when Abram was 75. AH 2083 - 75 = 2008 AH, when Abram was born when Terah was 130. AH 2008 - 130 = 1878 AH, when Terah was born.
Dr. Arnold D. Ehlert, head of BIOLA library when I began my studies in earnest, in his "Syllabus of Bible Chronology," said, "Up to this point there is perfect agreement in arriving at the date 2008 A.H. as the date of Abram's birth by Anstey, Panin and Ussher."
0 AH = 4043 BC = -283 on Jewish calendar. Adam created on last day of 0 AH. New moon was Fri, 17 min, 2 parts, after 4 PM. Since new moon was after noon, New Year Day would have been shifted to Sat., when the Lord rested the 7th day.
1 A.H. = 4043/42 B.C. Beginning of the 40-year Dispensation of Innocence. According to Jewish tradition, Adam was created on Tishri 1, but it seems to me that he was created Friday, September 18, equal to the Jewish Elul 29, the Preparation for the Feast of Trumpets. It could have been just minutes before Tishri 1 began at sunset. I think that God rested from creation Saturday, September 19, equal to the Jewish Tishri 1, the Jewish Sabbath, New Year and Feast of Trumpets. Thus with creation finished, the new "kosmos" began to operate on the Jewish New Year that began Friday evening.
(4042 AH = 2/1 BC, 4043 AH = 1 BC/1 AD, there is no zero year)
40 AH = 4004/3 BC = -243 Jewish. Adam expelled from the Garden of Eden. Beginning of the first 1000-year Day, the 2000-year Age of Gentiles, and the 1616-year Dispensation of Conscience.
130 AH = 3913 BC Seth born when Adam was 130 years old (Genesis 5:3)
235 AH = 3808 BC Enos born when Seth was 105 (Gen 5:6)
282 AH = 3762/61 BC = -1 Jewish
283 AH = 3761/60 BC = +1 Jewish, Jewish calendar began Oct 7, 3761 BC
325 AH Cainan born when Enos was 90 (Gen 5:9)
395 AH Mahalaleel born when Cainan was 70 (Gen 5:12)
460 AH Jared born when Mahalaleel was 65 (Gen 5:15)
622 AH = 3421 BC Enoch born when Jared was 162 (Gen 5:18)
DOUBLE CHECK: "And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam" (Jude 14). None are left out. None can be added.
687 AH = 3356 BC Methuselah born when Enoch was 65 (Gen 5:21)
874 AH Lamech born when Methuselah was 187 (Gen 5:25)
930 AH = 3113 BC Adam died when 930 (Gen 5:5). (He would have passed on the information the Lord gave him to Lamech, who would have passed it on to Noah.)
987 AH = Enoch's Rapture when 365 years old, 669 years before the Flood
1040 AH = 3003 BC. Beginning of second 1000-year Day
1056 AH = 2987 BC Noah born when Lamech was 182 (Gen 5:28)
1558 AH Shem born (Gen 11:10). (Noah born 1056 AH. He was 600 when flood began. Flood was in 1656 AH. Shem was 100 two yrs after Flood, so was 98 when Flood began. Therefore, he was born 1558 AH when Noah was 502)
1651 AH Lamech died at 777 (Gen 5:31), 5 yrs before the Flood
1656 AH = 2387 BC The Flood after Methuselah died at 969 (Gen 7:27), when Noah was 600 (Gen 7:6).
Beginning of the 427-year Dispensation of Human Government
DOUBLE CHECK:Methuselah lived 969 years and then the Flood came, Genesis 5:27. (687 AH + 969 = 1656 AH).
DOUBLE CHECK: Noah was 600 yrs old when the Flood came, Gen 7:6. (1056 AH + 600 = 1656 AH).
DOUBLE CHECK: Adam lived 930 yrs. Methuselah lived 969 yrs. Their lives overlapped 243 yrs. (930 + 969 = 1899 - 1656 to Flood = 243, making any changes difficult)

Post-diluvian Patriarchs

1658 AH Arphaxad born to Shem 2 years after the Flood when Shem was 100 (Gen 11:10)
DOUBLE CHECK: Shem was 100. (1558 AH + 100 = 1658)
1693 AH Salah born when Arphaxad was 35 (Gen 11:12)
1723 AH Eber born when Salah was 30 (Gen 11:14)
1757 AH = 2286 BC Peleg born when Eber was 34 (Gen 11:16)
1787 AH Reu born when Peleg was 30 (Gen 11:18)
1819 AH Serug born when Reu was 32 (Gen 11:20)
1849 AH Nahor born when Serug was 30 (Gen 11:22)
1878 AH = 2165 BC Terah born when Nahor was 29 (Gen 11:24)
1996 AH = 2047 BC Peleg died when 239 (Gen 11:18,19). "in his days was the earth divided," the continents split apart.

Hebrew Patriarchs

2008 AH = 2035 BC Abram born when Terah was 130 (Gen 11:26-32; Gen 12:4; Acts 7:4).
DOUBLE CHECK: Terah was born in 1878 AH and lived to be 205. At his death, Abram left Haran, so he died in 2083 AH when Abram was 75. AH 2083 - 75 = 2008 AH, when Abram was born when Terah was 130. AH 2008 - 130 = 1878 AH, when Terah was born.
 
Dr. Arnold D. Ehlert, head of BIOLA library when I began my studies in earnest, in his "Syllabus of Bible Chronology," said, "Up to this point there is perfect agreement in arriving at the date 2008 A.H. as the date of Abram's birth by Anstey, Panin and Ussher."...
 
3063 AH Reign of king David after Saul reigned 40 years (Acts 13:21)
> > The coming year 5778 (our year 2018) is the expected year of the Messiah's Kingdom to come and the end of the world as we know it – according to some manuscripts of Jewish origin.
 
Which MSS? That's interesting. Please tell me more. 2018 might just be an outside limit. To zero in, we may have to do a little more figuring. When Yeshua comes, the Jubilee Year should start, because the Hebrews will be returned to their inherited plot of land. They are promised the Earth forever.
 
I figure the Jubilee will start on Nisan 1, 5776, April 9, 2016, and last until Nisan 1, 5777, March 28, 2017.
 
The coming of the Jubilee Year would be announced on the previous Day of Atonement, Tishri 10, 5776, Sept 23, 2015. That would put the Last-Trump Rapture and the Day of God's Wrath on Tishri 1, 5776, Sept 14, 2015.
 
To double-check, the Jubilee Year has to be preceeded by a Sabbatic Year. 5775 is a Sabbatic Year, so these figures seem possible, and they fall within your outside limit. The Great Tribulation is to be shortened. Also, the taking of the Temple Mount in the Six-Day War was a big sign. 1967 + 50 = 2017.
 
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