Laurie Hane (28 July 2011)
"Barry Amundsen- judgment seat of Christ"
Barry,
You gave an interesting analysis of the book written about the judgment
seat of Christ by Arlen Chitwood. It seemed that you were
disquieted about the fact that he went to such great lengths to prove a
point. I wondered at that. Isn't that how we have been
instructed to study and learn scripture. Line upon line, line upon
line, here a little, there a little..... If we are on the right
premise, it will repeat it self over and over again in scripture.
It can be built upon and built upon until a larger and larger picture
develops. Studying the types of the old testament is a great way
to get the premise for the new testament and the ages to come.
In the past few years I have gone through quite a few events that I had
never imagined that I would. During that time I read a book about
Job written by Oswald Chambers. He said that Job learned during
that time of trial, that what he had perceived as how God dealt with man
(Do good and good will be done unto you, do bad and you shall be
rewarded with bad), was not so. Even the Good could suffer hugh
loss for no other reason than it was just so. So either God was
wrong and somehow missed the fact that he was a righteous man and had
afflicted him, or his idea of God was wrong. He held to the fact
that it was his view that was wrong, not God- until the bitter end and
God rewarded him in the end for holding onto that belief. I too
have had to change my views about how God deals with people and realize
that God can and will do anything he deems right and if I am not in
agreeance over the rightness of it, I am the one with the lack of
knowledge. I had to face that in the area of divorce...it really
hit home. I have had to face that in the view of other things that
I had thought that was right only to realize that that was my
thinking. And so it has been with scripture. I see it with
the plea to God to set my path straight, not with men's knowledge, but
with His. It might not make sense to me, but he knows the
beginning from the end....perfect sense to him.
So getting back to the judgment seat of Christ and the full rapture of the church. Have you considered Rev. 1:19
Write the thing which thou hast seen, and the
things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;
We have 3 tenses here. Hast seen, things which are and things
which shall be - past, present and future tenses. Hast seen- that
is which John had just witnessed about Christ and his role in the
previous verses. Things which are- what John is being shown
currently. And which shall be hereafter (after these
things). These are the words used to begin Chapter 4 "After
this"... after what, after chapters 1,2 and 3- there are the three
tences. Does this make sense, maybe it seems too simple, but
there you have it. I challenge you that if it doesn't make sense
to your logic remember that Job found himself in the mess that didn't
make sense to him or his friends either. Job found the right way
by believing he may have it wrong. God blessed him for it.
I am still in the state of "show me Lord' and I am sure that you are as
well. May the Lord bless both of our searches as we wish to honor
him in all our doings. Blessings, Laurie
Barry,
Sorry I didn't include this earlier but just saw some remarks you sent
to Robert and Sonja. Not sure what all you are referring to but
hoped you wouldn't mind me addressing some things that I have pondered
over. In reference to the following remark
Then, Sonja, I am not sure which side you are defending. My comment that
you quote refers to the position in the pdf book that claims basically
that most Christians fail to understand the nature of their salvation
and that Christ provided only for our "spirit" to be saved but our
"soul" salvation is up to us to accomplish through our own works after
we are spirit saved etc. I was commenting that I find the defense of
this position to be very difficult to follow and that the weeping and
gnashing of teeth etc I believe happens at the rapture when many are
left behind rather than at the judgment seat of Christ when many
according to this book will be cast into outer darkness for failing to
have good enough works etc.
My understanding follows what is referenced above until it comes to
where you state that the salvation of the soul is accomplished through
our own works after we are spirit saved. Salvation, whether it is
of the spirit or the soul, is always done through the work of
Christ. One is the finished work of Christ (spiritual salvation)
and the other is the continual work of Christ as he works through us
during this present age. Nothing man can do will ever be thought
of as more than wood, hay or stubble. That is one of the hardest
concepts there is to take hold of. It is not our works done for
Christ, it is simply his workings done through a completely yielded
vessel that works out the salvation of the soul. It has to be a
completely yielded individual in the moment, that a good work is
produced through. I say in the moment, because how many of us are
completely yielded for ten minutes let alone an hour or the great event
of a whole day. That is why the yeildedness is so important, it is
impossible to be produced by us, it must be produced by God. It
is always about God, always about his grace and mercy, always about his
power done for us and through us. We are to enter into our rest
where we don't work, but the work is done through us. Hard stuff
to realize, even harder to do. Thank goodness we have a God where
nothing is impossible, and "Being confident of this very thing, that he
which has begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of
Jesus Christ:" Phil 1:6