KML (26 July 2011)
"Can we discern when Tribulation starts ?"

 
Dear Doves

The question of Tribulation, and the Rapture and their placement as for their timing has always been a major issue for many of we christians.
there is ;
1. Post Tribulation
2. Mid Tribulation
3. Pre Tribulation
The above named placements of the Rapture are the issue. Because of the differences in our beliefs as to when the Rapture will take place is important.
Mainly because it effects  how we view where we are in the current events that are happening before us.
I am not writing in order to change anyones view in any of the above placements.
But merely to show according to scripture what the word of God shows us in plain
view about where the Rapture and Tribulation occurs.

Before I proceed, let me mention the words of our Lord Himself in a private talk with his disciples, where they had ask him a series of questions pertaining to these very issues we are now witnessing in these last days. The very days we are now living.
Jesus said: Matt 24:4
And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that No Man deceive you.

These words I say to us all, because of the last days " apostasy" will be among the churches. False doctrines and teachings will abound.
Our Lord said to us
Fear Not for I am with you always even unto the end of the world.
We also know that our Lord discribed in detail to them and us[ this generation] the order of events in these verses in Matt 24 . But his First Warning was to let No one deceive us.
It it easy for us to get consumed by all the information concerning the apocaliptic build up of much of the enteries here from well meaning watchers.

In Matt 24 Our Lord is speaking unto the Jew, The disciples were Jews.
It is the Jew who will see the Holy place where the abomination will take place.
The Priests of the 3 rd Temple.
Gentiles do not enter there.
The church will not see the abomination, which makes desolate, and brings in the Great Tribulation.
The Church will not see this event, we are in Heaven.
In as much as the book of Acts begins the church age, the book of Jude ends the church era.
The placement of the book of Jude is not by chance, nor are any of the placements of the other books of the Bible.
The church age ends before Tribulation.

When is Tribulation ? It is when Daniel told us it "would" be.
Daniel 12: 11-12
And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that makes desolate set up, " there shall be 1290 days, Blessed is he who waiteth and comes to the 1335th days.  [ this scripture is also writen unto the Jew] we know there is a 30 day period from the abomination until the [ fleeing].
 This is a word from our Lord directing the disciples back to the words of Daniel.
" when you see the abomination spoken of by Daniel the prophet [ this is the Biginning of Tribulation] which will last for 1260 days to the END. And then comes the days immediately following when the Lord comes with Power and great glory.

Matt 24: 29-30
But immediately after the Tribulation of those days " the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give it's light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken". And then " the sign" of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then the Tribes of the earth will Mourn, and they will SEE " the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory.
THIS Verse is also writen unto the Jew !
The key here is TRIBES. The 12 tribes of Israel.
Matt 24: 15-16
When Ye therefore shall SEE " The Abomination of Desolation" spoken of by Daniel the prophet  [ whoso readeth understand ] then let them that be in JUDAH [Flee] into the mountains.
Let us go back to the Scriptures of Truth and read for ourselves what God is telling us. Matt 24: 22
And EXCEPT those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved; BUT for the Elect's sake { ISRAEL} those days shall be shortened.

WHERE IS GOD SHOTENING THE DAYS?
IN THE DAYS BEFORE TRIBULATION, OR AFTER ?

ENOCH TELLS US 364 DAYS IN A YEAR, NOT 360, AND NOT 365
364 X 7 YEARS=2548 DAYS

DANIEL 8:13-14
THEN I HEARD ONE SAINT SPEAKING, AND ANOTHER SAINT SAID UNTO THAT CERTAIN SAINT WHICH SPAKE," how long shall be the vision
concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give [ both]
Sanctuary and the Host to be trodden under foot ?
and he said unto me " 2300 DAYS [then] shall the Sanctuary be cleansed.
2548- 2300= 248 shortened days
WHO CLEANSES THE SANCTUARY ? AND ESTABLISHES HIS THRONE HERE UPON THE EARTH ?
OUR LORD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST.

We know the commandment that went forth to restore Jerusalem came in Nov 29th 1947.
we are not talking about when they took the land in May of 1948, but when the commandment went forth to restore.
As of Nov 29th 2010 we are now in the 64th year from the commandment to restore Jerusalem.
Our present year of the Lord is 5994 if we see 1947 as the going forth, and year 5993 if we see 1948 as the going forth.

Daniel 9:26 tells us that after 62 years Messiah shall be cut off , but not for himself.
THIS HAPPENED IN THE DAYS OF CHRISTS DEATH ON THE CROSS.
DANIEL KNEW IN HIS DAY THAT ISRAEL WAS NEAR THE 69TH WEEK, AND THUS THE URGENCY OF DANIEL'S PRAYER FOR ISRAEL.
HE KNEW THE PROPHECY CONCERNING THE 70TH WEEK.

DANIEL SAW [NOT] THE CHURCH AGE.
THIS IS WHY THE ANGEL SAID " GO THY WAY DANIEL, AND CLOSE THE BOOK, YOU SHALL SLEEP UNTIL THE TIME OF THE RESURRECTION.

These last 2000 + years are the church age, and are drawing near the close, and will bring in the 70th week, that was shown unto Daniel.

Dan 9:26 CONTINUED  and the people of " the prince that shall come" shall destroy the city and the sanctuary, and the END shall be with a Flood, and to the End of the War desolations are determined.
THE FLOOD= The Fleeing 30 days after the abomination that makes desolate.
THE WAR= ARMAGEDDON and the desolations it brings.

Dan 9:27 and (he) shall confirm [the] covenant of many for ONE WEEK.
( the little horn) this is the 70th week.

HAS THERE BEEN A COVENANT OF MANY CONFIRMED ?
I DON'T THINK AS OF YET THERE HAS, BUT I AM WATCHING.
Let us continue to watch for this confirmation of a covenant of many !
this is our Rapture ! and the start of Jacobs terrible troubles.

We are told also that THIS GENERATION shall not pass till all these things be fulfilled.
How many of us here were born within Nov 29th 1947 and our present day of July 25th 2011 ? I was born Oct 17th 1953, I pray I will see all these things fulfilled.
It does not say this generation will not die, some have died already, but it means that there will still be those living within this generation who will witness these things.
If we go back again and look at the children of Israel in the Exodus, 40 years was a generation. and after 40 years of wondering, that first generation that went into the desert did not see the promised land.
Jude reminds us the believers, of how the children of Israel were judged and did not enter the promised land, because of their disbelief and murmerring against God.
A message we can all learn from by the very nature of argument we are guilty of amongst ourselves.
FEAR NOT MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN THE LORD, THESE THINGS THAT ARE BEING SPREAD THROUGH THIS SITE AND OTHERS THAT CAUSE FEAR OR UNREST IN US, ARE NOT FOR THE BRIDE OF CHRIST.
We are promised......".I have not called you to wrath"
The Wrath of god is all that some are saying is about to take place with the Earth within days.
We are not in great tribulation, and it is when the first seal is oppend that tribulation begins.We are in heaven and will witness our Lord breaking the seals.
Be ye Not deceived, but look up ! Our redemption draws neigh.
KML