Hi Laurie Hane,
I completely agree with what you say about how we must
learn scripture "line upon line and precept upon precept
here a little and there a little" etc. However this is a
double edge sword so to speak because the subject of that
scripture is that those who will not be taught by submitting
themselves to God are going to be snared by their own pride
and caught up in a gross error all the while thinking they
7. But they also have erred through wine, and
through strong drink [false doctrine]
are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred
through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they
are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision,
they stumble in judgment.
8. For all tables are full of vomit and
filthiness, so that there is no place clean.
9. Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall
he make to understand [true] doctrine?
them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the
10. For precept must be upon precept, precept
upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little,
and there a little:
11. For with stammering lips and another tongue
will he speak to this people.
12. To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith
ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing:
yet they would not hear.
13. But the word of the Lord was unto them
precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line,
line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they
might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and
14. Wherefore hear the word of the Lord, ye
What this is saying is that God requires that we be
submitted to Him and worship Him in spirit and in truth and
when we are, He will teach us what His word means. (No man
lights a candle and hides it under a basket, but puts it on
a stand where it gives light to all who enter the room, God
intends His word to be understood but not for outsiders.) It
is very easy to learn from God as Jesus said, take my yoke
on you and learn from Me for My yoke is easy and my burden
is light. God delights in giving His people knowledge and
wisdom but at the same time God does not delight in those
who think they can teach themselves. This is just another
form of rebellion and has dire consequences. I think
that description in the above scripture is true of our
present day. There is much doctrine today that is not taught
by God but is very difficult to sort out and leads one down
its confusing path just as any cult will do, (Ever read some
of the Mormon stuff for example?) God always resists
the proud and the "wise and prudent" and allows them to be
led into error because they refuse to submit to
25. At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank
thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast
hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast
revealed them unto babes.
26. Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in
27. All things are delivered unto me of my
Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither
knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to
whomsoever the Son will reveal him.
28. Come unto me, all ye that labour and are
heavy laden, [under the false doctrinal burdens of man's
making] and I will give you rest. [Notice verse 12 of Isaiah
28 above speaks of learning truth as rest from all the
29. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for
I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto
30. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
It is pride that leads someone to believe that he can
"study the scriptures" and come to understand them by much
study. Even the Pharisees were told by Jesus
39. Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye
have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
40. And ye will not come to me, that ye might
But life and truth are in knowing Jesus not in studying
the scriptures and drawing conclusions based upon one's
understanding of them.
When you know Jesus He through His Holy Spirit leads you
into all truth.
1 Corinthians 8
1. ... Knowledge puffeth up, but charity
2. And if any man think that he knoweth
anything, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know.
3. But if any man love God, the same is known of
Laurie, I agree with you that our works after salvation
are done by the power of Christ as we yield ourselves to Him
everyday etc. and that apart from Him we can do nothing. It
all is through faith hope and love and for faith we are
given Christ's righteousness. But putting away faith is
shipwreck, even in the area of how we learn doctrine.
1 Thessalonians 5:
23. And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly;
and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be
preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus
24. Faithful is he that calleth you, who also
will do it.
I guess my bottom line point was that if the teaching
about "spirit salvation" vs. "soul salvation" were accurate
then it should resonate with one's spirit as given by the
Holy Spirit and not require endles argument and
interpretations of scripture to prop it up intellectually.
To me one is either saved or not saved based on his
relationship with Jesus Christ.
36. He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting
life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life;
but the wrath of God abideth on him.
I do believe that many who think they are "saved" will
unfortunately be left behind at the rapture but the reason
is because they do not believe on the Son, not because they
failed to perform enough to get their soul saved. Does that
make it clearer? That is my position. By believe, I mean
with their lives, not mere intellectual belief for many in
Jesus day did the same thing:
42. Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many
believed on him; but because of the Pharisees they did not
confess him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue:
43. For they loved the praise of men more than
the praise of God.
44. Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on
me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me.
45. And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me.
46. I am come a light into the world, that
whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.
There we have it if you believe on Jesus you will not
abide in darkness - outer or otherwise!