Hi John
It has been a while since I have posted a
letter, but I keep an eye on the Doves’ letters daily. Thanks for all the
work you do in providing this forum for us all. It is a blessing.
My recent note to Marilyn Agee about the
two witnesses below and her response for posting.
Regards
Carl Houghton
Hi Marilyn
It has been a while since I have emailed
you but I always keep an eye on your Pros and Cons. http://prophecycorner.theforeverfamily.com/
A query on your recent pros and Cons 1559.
You discuss Moses and Elijah as the two witnesses, but there seems to be more
evidence for Enoch and Elijah as the two witnesses. These two prophets of God
are the only two that have not yet experienced death, as they were translated
(raptured), in reference to the Lord’s word that all men are appointed
once to die. Not counting the raptured saints (wise virgins) of course.
In addition, the Apocalypse of Peter (AOP),
a non-canonical book, literally states that Enoch and Elijah as the two
witnesses. Incidentally, the AOP, also gives a fantastic description of what
the sign of the Lord is, which will be presented before his coming, It is worth
a read; A bright cross in the sky? No wonder all will know and mourn. There
will be no mistaking this sign! Glory, glory, glory.
Back to the two witnesses. There is no
doubt through the Lord’s word that Elijah is one of the two witnesses, as
the Lord states that he will be sent to “restore all things”, which
includes the establishment of the workings of the third temple, but also his
power will be untouchable. No wonder the world will rejoice when he is killed
by the anti-christ, as Elijah will cause such a stir. Only the satan empowered
anti-christ will be able to slow Elijah down, but only because the Lord allows
it to fulfill His word and will.
Elijah will also have the power to discern
which tribe the Hebrews are from to establish the 144,000 and they will be well
briefed before they have to flee into the wilderness mid trib. There is another
fact that is the Hebrews look for Elijah on one of their feast days to this
day, so they are expecting him to return before Messiah comes.
I have two trains of thought re Moses and
Enoch – the other witness.
The Moses train of thought. I have this
hunch that Moses could be used by the Lord if the Ark of the Covenant has a
role to play, which is possible given the third temple has to be in operation
leading up to mid tribulation when the two witnesses are killed. We know that
Moses’ grave is on Mount Nebo unmarked and that no man to this day knows
this location. Isn’t it a strange coincidence that the Ark could be
buried on Mount Nebo too, due east from the Temple Mount at an exact distance
proportion of the dimensions of the Ark itself. I reference the work of David
Flynn here – Temple at the Centre of Time. Worth a read if you have not
already. I find this very interesting. There is also the fact that Elijah and
Moses appeared to Jesus at the transfiguration. Not sure if all this means that
Moses is the second witness though as I believe the Lord has requested in the
old testament that the Ark was to be put away because people were placing it in
higher regard and it was seen as a distraction. The same as it was for the temple
really.
However, the Enoch train of thought seems
stronger. Besides the AOP reference mentioned above, which I understand used to
be part of the bible but removed, I believe Elijah and Enoch represent the two olive
trees that stand before the throne of God as the root, a picture of the Hebrews
(Elijah) and the grafted-in, which is a picture of the gentiles (Enoch). To be
translated, or raptured, and to be one of these olive trees shows that the Lord
held Elijah and Enoch in such high regard. To say the least.
The other reason is that both have not seen
death, but we know that both of the two witnesses die during mid tribulation,
and therefore fulfilling the Lord’s word regarding this ‘appointed
once to die’ scripture. I also believe the reference by the Lord about
this time of tribulation to be “ as the days of Noah were” links
Enoch and the fallen/watchers and their earth born (Nephilim). We know
through the book of Enoch that he was alive at this time and even conversed
with these beings and wrote about them.
It makes sense that the Lord would use
those most qualified to deal with what is coming on the Earth and Elijah and
Enoch to me fit the bill. You have two key areas: 1) Hebrew restoration and
preparation completed by Elijah, and 2) dealings with powerful spiritual
entities (fallen ones and then nephilim demons) and (gentile) mankind which are
the foolish virgins that will be turned around (by Enoch the gentile). This
change of heart will make them refuse the mark and become martyred saints.
Regarding the spiritual forces? Iron (angelic/demonic) will not mix with clay
(man) – the feet and the ten toes of the end time world empire. They will
not cleave to one another. Enoch will resist these forces as he did previously,
until the Lord allows him to be killed with Elijah.
Matthew 24: “Preaching to all the
world, and then the end will come” - When I read these words of Jesus I
believe that he is talking about the work of the two witnesses because of the
timing of the events he describes prior.
The things we are seeing right now in the
world are these events prior, or as Jesus describes, birth pangs. He says when
you see these events unfold “the end is not yet”. These events
happening now are the earth quakes in diverse places, wars and rumors of wars,
famine and pestilence, many will come in my name.
But now we await the two witnesses, which
will be brought here at the time of the rapture, which I think will be a
‘pick-up and drop off’ event, so to speak. This must be coming next
preceded by a great earth quake which will open the graves of the righteous
dead. The dead will rise first and then those who are alive will be picked up
and the two witnesses dropped off, to do the “preaching to all the
world”. Why else would the world rejoice when they are killed? Their
words and the preaching of truth in these dark times can only cause the world
to rejoice when they are killed, as the truth will go against all the ways of
this world and against the end time goals of the princes and principalities of
the air.
Then the Great Tribulation will start as
the anti-christ takes his seat in the temple and he will now be totally
unobstructed. The spirit in him (satan) will know he has but a short time.
Hence the mayhem to follow.
I would be interested to know your
thoughts? I think it is Elijah and Enoch for now.
Hope you are keeping well. May the Lord
bless you always. You have taught me so much over the years. I know the Lord
has led me to your postings to help increase my understanding.
Regards
Carl
Carl Houghton
Napier
New Zealand
Marilyn Agee’s response:
Hi:
>
> there seems to be more evidence for Enoch and Elijah as the two witnesses.
To
me, it is just a matter of comparing Scripture with Scripture. The whole story
is not given to us in one place. That is so it will not be apparent to the
unbeliever. It is nonsense to him without the Holy Spirit that helps us
understand it.
Rev 11:3,4 says, "And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall
prophesy a thousand two hundred and
threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. These are the TWO OLIVE TREES, AND THE
TWO CANDLESTICKS STANDING BEFORE THE GOD OF THE EARTH."
The
God of the Earth is Jesus Christ. Isa. 44:6 says, "Thus saith the LORD
(YHWH) the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD (YHWH) of hosts; I am the first (YHWH King of Israel), and I am the last (YHWH of hosts the redeemer; i.e.,
Jesus Christ); and beside me there is no
God."
In
John 10:30, Jesus said, "I and my Father are one."
Compare
Rev 11:3,4 with Zec 4:11-17. It says, "Then answered I, and said unto him, What
are these two OLIVE TREES upon the right
side of the CANDLESTICK and upon the
left side thereof? And I answered again,
and said unto him, What be these two
olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves? And he answered me and
said, Knowest thou not what these be?
And I said, No, my lord. Then said he, THESE ARE THE TWO ANOINTED ONES, THAT
STAND BY THE LORD OF THE WHOLE EARTH."
Compare
this with Mark 9:2-4.
It says, "After
six days Jesus taketh with him Peter,
and James, and John, and leadeth them up into an high mountain apart by
themselves: and he was transfigured before
them. And his raiment became shining, exceeding white as snow; so as no
fuller on earth can white them. And there appeared unto them ELIAS with MOSES:
and they were talking with JESUS."
Elias
(Elijah) and Moses stood by Jesus, the Lord of the whole Earth.
There
could very well be the sign of the cross in the sky before the Rapture. A large
one, like a Sun Dog, was seen above Jerusalem about a whole day. To me,
that would have to have been the Lord's doing. Sun Dogs just don't last that
long naturally. They are rather rare anyway. If I remember right, there have to
be ice crystals in the atmosphere for Sun Dogs to appear. I have never seen
one, except in photos.
Agape,
Marilyn Agee
mjagee@verizon.net
http://prophecycorner.theforeverfamily.com