Bjr (18 July 2009)
"Good logic for a pre trib/wrath rapture"

 
John and Doves-

Something came to me when reading - 2 Thes 2:3 "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition".  Some believe this is Christians departing their faith.  While some(many) of us believe this is the Rapture.  Now, if in Romans 11:25 it says Israel is hardened until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, then how could the "falling away" mean turning on our faith.  For, if that were to occur, then the number of the saved gentiles would have dramatically decreased and Israel would stay hardened for an unforeseeable future(because the fullness of the gentiles had not yet come in).  If the antichrist is only on the world scene for at most 7 years, then fullness of the gentiles would have to not only gain back what it had lost-but also gain even more in just a very short time!  Furthermore, from what Revelations describes, it doesn't sound like
 there is very much faith on the earth during those years of the antichrist.  I hope I explained that well.  Does that make sense to anyone else?
Brother in Jesus,
Bjr