Re: "The 360 day year error"
Jovial (28 July 2005)
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/july2005/jovial728.htmOne fallacy about dating systems is the idea we should count years as 360 day intervals. A "year" is a revolution of the earth around the sun, not 360 days. Some people say this suggesting that the "Jewish calendar" has 30 day months, but there is no Jewish calendar that has 30 days months. The fixed Jewish calendar alternates between 29 and 30 day months to keep in line with the lunar cycles (presently 29.5 days, not 30).
Personally, I think that since Genesis chapter 1 says the heavenly bodies are there to mark times and seasons, that the moon marks months and the sun marks years. Thus if the Bible measures something in days or months we should go by lunar cycles (presently 29.5 days, not 30). If it goes by "years", we should measure it by revolutions around the sun - that is, the earth returning to the same point around the sun. This, not th! e calendar date, is what should reign supreme....
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Thanks for sharing your reasoning with us on the 360-day so-called prophetic year. I agree with you.
Here are some of my thoughts on the subject. The Bible is consistent A day was one revolution of the Earth in Genesis 1:5. If a day was from even to even in Genesis 1:5 and Lev. 23:32, which was after the first month was changed at Mt. Sinai, I think it should be figured from even to even throughout. Since man was to rest on the 7th day in Gen. 2:2,3, the days and the 7-day week seem to have been constant from the creation of Adam down to our time.
What about months? The Hebrew Calendar was established by Genesis 7:11, where the 2nd month, 17th day was listed as the day Noah entered the Ark and the Lord shut him in. He was in the Ark from Cheshvan 17 (the second month, Gen 7:11) to Cheshvan 27 in the following year (Gen. 8:14).
A year was established by Gen. 5:3, where Adam was said to be 130 years old when Seth was born. This shows that years were counted from the day that Adam was created. Thus, the Hebrew Calendar was established according to Gen. 1:13,14. It says, "And the evening and the morning were the third day. And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for DAYS, and YEARS."
I think that 3rd day was Elul 26, and that the 7th day, when God rested, was Tishri 1, New Year Day (NYD). From that time on, I think NYD was set when the Crescent Moon of Tishri 1 could be seen. We can now see that Adam was created on the last day of Year Zero. This "kosmos" (orderly arrangement of things) began to operate on Tishri 1 of Year One, Adam's first year. No wonder Hebrew babies are called one-year olds their whole first year.
According to Josephus, during Seth's lifetime, Adam and Seth drew the Zodiac by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit (Ant. I. II. 3). Thus, when the Sun reached a certain point on the Zodiac, another solar year began. The length of the 12 months had to fit within the length of the solar year, which never was 360 days long. It was constantly 365+ days.
Also, God arranged the Calendar so that the number of days between Passover and Trumpets are constant. The adjustments necessary to fit the solar year are in other months, not in Nisan, Iyar, Sivan, Tamuz, Av or Elul. To keep from needing to adjust the days in Elul, the NYD is figured mathematically one year in advance. Then the type of year (they have 6 types) having the right number of days is fitted in. It seems cumbersome to us, but it works. The Hebrew Calendar is amazingly accurate in the long run.
Also, what do you think about the 14000 actual days from June 6, 1967 (beginning of the Six-Day War) to October 4, 2005 (Feast of Trumpets)? Could these 14000 days point to the Rapture on Tishri 1, 5766? That is 38.8 years after the Six-Day War started.
Think about the man who "had an infirmity thirty and eight years" (John 5:5). At the end of those years, Jesus told him, "Rise, take up thy bed, and walk" (v. 8). Could this tie in with the Rapture?
I read "14000-DAY GENERATION AND ROSH HASHANAH 2005," by Stuart Cobbs
http://www.christian-forum.net/lofiversion/index.php/t1209.htmlI disagree with some of his figures. To me, he is mixing apples and oranges. In figuring the 14000-day generation from the Exodus to the entry into the Promised Land, he uses the 360-day year. In figuring the time from the the Six-Day War in 1967 to his proposed Rapture on the upcoming Feast of Trumpets, he uses the actual number of days, not going by the 360-day year. Are they equal? I don't think so.
I also disagree with his figures for his 14000-day period from the Crucifixion to the burning of the temple in 70 AD. To me, the Crucifixion had to be in 30 AD. He uses Sir Robert Anderson's date of April 6, 32 AD (Palm Sunday), and Sir Robert Anderson not only used the 360-day year, he used the wrong edict as the starting time for his calculations.
Stuart Cobbs said:
> > Sir Robert Anderson wrote the Christian classic, "The Coming Prince" and determined the dates that fulfilled Daniel’s prophesies.
March 15, 444 BC (edict to rebuild Jerusalem by Artaxerxes) 69 weeks of years x 7 = 483 years = 173880 days
March 15, 444BC plus 173880 days is April 6, 32 AD Palm Sunday
Jesus rides into Jerusalem April 6, 32 AD Palm SundayI think that is the wrong edict, so his date for Palm Sunday is wrong. Isa. 44:26 says that the Lord "saith of CYRUS, He is my shepherd, and shall perform all my pleasure: even saying to JERUSALEM, Thou shalt be built; and to the TEMPLE, Thy foundation shall be laid." No other edict but that of Cyrus makes sense to me. Whether the exact words of Cyrus were recorded in Scripture or not, we have the Lord's word on it. That's the very best authority.
The equation 69 x 7 x 360 = 173880 days is not an actual count of Solar days, i.e., revolutions of Earth.
> > I truly believe God has given His Church a prophetic timeline which is not difficult to discern. I believe God wants to show His Church what He will do and to expect the closing of the "Church Age" with the Rapture of the Church on Rosh-Hashana 2005.
I believe God established a 14000 day generation with the Wilderness Generation and repeated the 14000 day generation with the generation that rejected Jesus as Messiah.
I believe if we properly understand the 14000 day timeline it should be no more difficult to discern that Rosh-Hashana 2005 is the date of the Church Rapture as it was for the "Jewish religious authorities " to discern the date from Daniel’s prophesy that Jesus the Messiah was to ride into Jerusalem on April 6, 32 AD (Palm Sunday).> > It is fascinating that the three most important generations in the history of the Jewish people are EXACTLY 14000 days. (38.8 Jewish Years or 2000 Jewish weeks).
> > 1. The Wilde! rness generation which is EXACTLY 14000 days
> > 2. The generation which rejected Jesus as the Messiah to the destruction of Jerusalem
In 70AD was EXACTLY 14000 days> > 3. The Last Generation which saw the recapture of Jerusalem on June 6, 1967 to
Rosh-Hashana 2005 is EXACTLY 14000 days> > The Jewish Calander is based on a 360 day year consisting of 12 months. (emphasis mine throughout)
The only one of these that seems EXACTLY right to me is Number 3. Is it meaningful if it stands alone?
> > GOD ESTABLISHES A 14000 DAY GENERATION
> > After the Israelites passed thru the Red Sea, God commanded Moses to number the men of the congregation who were 20 years of age and older. The numbering of the men 20 and over established who was of fighting age and the generation that was accountable to God. Once the men were numbered, the wilderness journey began. In Numbers 10:11 we read the numbered accountable generation of Israelites left Sinai on the 20th day of the 2nd month of the 2nd year – (Calendar Year = 360 days of 12 months) We add 30 plus 20 plus 360 = 410 Days . When the last man of the cursed generation died, God commanded that the congregation cross into the Promised Land. In Joshua 4:19 the Israelites entered the Promised Land on the 10th day of the 1st month of the 41st year (for 41st year see Dt 1:3.) Calendar Year 360 x 40 = 14400 + 10 = 14410. When we subtract the 410 days from the 14410 days we get exactly 14000 days for the number! ed accountable, cursed generation! The Israelites were commanded by God to enter the Promised Land the very day the last man of the cursed, numbered generation died. Exactly 14000 days from when the numbered generation set out into the Wilderness!God said it was 40 years, not 38.8 years. Nu. 14:33 says, "your children shall wander in the wilderness FORTY YEARS, and bear your whoredoms, until your carcases be wasted in the wilderness." It was 38 years from the Provocation to entering the Land, but 40 from the beginning of the Exodus.
> > From the very day Daniel prophesized Jesus would ride into Jerusalem on April 6, 32 AD to the destruction of Jerusalem on August 5, 70AD was exactly a 14000 day generation.
Jesus rides into Jerusalem April 6, 32 AD Palm Sunday
Destruction of Jerusalem and the temple on August 5, 70 AD
Time interval is 14000 days (2000 weeks or 38.8 Jewish years)I think the year of the Crucifixion was 30 AD. Herod began to build the temple in BC 20/19. It was 46 years in building in 27 AD, the first Passover of Jesus' ministry. This agrees with April 6, 30 AD for the Crucifixion. That was 40 years before the temple was burned in 70 AD, not 38.8 years.
Eze. 4:6,7 says, "thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah FORTY DAYS: I have appointed thee EACH DAY FOR A YEAR. Therefore thou shalt set thy face toward the siege of Jerusalem, and thine arm shall be uncovered, and thou shalt prophesy against it."
To me, that period of time from the Crucifixion to the burning of the temple in 70 AD has to be FORTY YEARS.
Agape,
Marilyn Agee
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