Ed P (15 July 2004)
"Timelines R US"


Hey Doves,

So, I got a rather cool reception to my last time line, but that's OK because I barely believe it myself. I posted what I found through pure calculations themselves.

Here is the last one, in case you missed it:

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/july2004/edp73.htm

After looking over that "masterpiece", I to decided zoom in and take another look at it. So here are the changes that make more sense because the 1290 day time is concurrent with the 2 witnesses.

The 1290 days is a duration of time where the first day is the start (day 0), and the next day is day one...and so forth until the 1290th day. In the case of the 1335 days, it appears that it uses inclusive numbering where the first day is actually day 1. So the 1335th day is actually 1334 days of duration from the first day. So when you say "comes to the 1335th day, you are including the first day, using inclusive reasoning.

Dan 12:7  And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.
Dan 12:8  And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
Dan 12:9  And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
Dan 12:10  Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
Dan 12:11  And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, THERE SHALL BE A THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED AND NINETY DAYS.
Dan 12:12  Blessed is he that waiteth, and COMETH TO THE THOUSAND THREE HUNDRED AND FIVE AND THIRTY DAYS.

Anyway, that opened up a door to adjust the time line, so that the 1290/1335 starts the day after the 2 witnesses show up, ie 22 Tishri - 10-7-04. The witnesses show up 21 Tishri 10-6-04. So that the 1290th day lands on 14 Nisan - 4-19-08. The 1335th day is 28 Lyyar - 6-2-08

I also believe that the Seals in Revelation are non-actionable events, that is, they are shown to John by the 4 beasts that are around the throne, but don't actually happen until after the 7th Seal is opened. The Seals are like an overview of the entire tribulation period. Kind of like decrypting the code to reveal the program inside. Also notice that John is shown the events by the four beasts. Later he actually SEES the 7 angels trumpeting each event as it happens.

So the first "event" is the first Trumpet. Based on the time line that I calculated, the first 4 Trumpets occur over a 2 year time period from just after 10-6-04 until some time before 10-6-06. Then on 10-6-06, the first WOE (which is also the 5th Trumpet) occurs.

This is using the moon schedule that I described last time. It would be 15 Tishri. I believe that this is the day that 144,000 are sealed. First the interlude between 6th and 7th Seal reveals the event that will occur. Notice the Palms in their hands. This occurs on 15 Tishri, as per Lev 23:39-40. This could be the fulfillment of this feast day.

Rev 7:3  Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have SEALED the servants of our God in their foreheads.
Rev 7:4  And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were SEALED an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
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Rev 7:9  After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and PALMS in their hands;  * * * Lev 23:39-40 (Tishri 15) * * *
Rev 7:10  And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.

Now notice that this great multitude came out of great tribulation...

Rev 7:13  And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
Rev 7:14  And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came OUT OF GREAT TRIBULATION, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Ok, so back to that 5th trumpet (first WOE). Here is where we see that men are tormented five months, but only those who are NOT SEALED, ie everyone except the 144,000. Did you get the timing of it all? 15 Tishri is when the great multitude is seen around the throne with Palm branches in their hands. So the 144,000 would have been sealed just prior to that. Then you see this 5th Trumpet of the 5 months...

Rev 9:3  And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
Rev 9:4  And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have NOT THE SEAL OF GOD in their foreheads.
Rev 9:5  And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be TORMENTED FIVE MONTHS: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.
Rev 9:6  And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

Later in Rev 14 we see the 144,000 redeemed singing a new song that only they could learn...

Rev 14:1  And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
Rev 14:2  And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
Rev 14:3  And they SUNG AS IT WERE A NEW SONG before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

Back again to the time line. After the 5 months of torment, begins the 6th Trumpet (also the 2nd WOE). The four bad angels from the bottomless pit. They have an appointed time of exactly 1hr - 1 day - 1 month -1 year. At that time the 2nd WOE would be over. As I mentioned last time, the second WOE is over the same hour that the 2 witnesses are raptured to heaven, and a great earthquake occurs.

Rev 11:11  And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
Rev 11:12  And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
Rev 11:13  And the SAME HOUR was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
Rev 11:14  The SECOND WOE IS PAST; and, behold, the THIRD WOE COMETH QUICKLY.
Rev 11:15  And the SEVENTH ANGEL SOUNDED; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; [7th] and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Rev 11:16  And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,

Back to the time line. The second WOE ends on 3-22-08, 15 Adar (moon schedule). Then 28 days later on 4-19-08, 14 Nisan, the 7th Trumpet sounds which ends the 1290th day. This is verified by Rev 10 as follows:

Rev 10:5  And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven,
Rev 10:6  And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be TIME NO LONGER.:

 ==> Just like Daniel 12:7  (And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be FINISHED.)

Rev 10:7  But in the DAYS OF THE VOICE OF THE SEVENTH ANGEL, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be FINISHED, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

Back to the time line. Then you have a continuation to the 1335th day. The only part that I'm not sure about is the last 1260 day segment that I stuck on the time line. I'm not convinced about what happens here. I will write again when I have some real answers for that time, if it has any meaning at all.

Another thing I wanted to say here, is that I believe that all the spring feasts have already been fulfilled by Jesus Christ as the passover lamb that takes a way the sins of the world. He was raised up the third day, and seen of over 500 witnesses, and showed himself to his disciples. Later He ascended to be on the right hand of the father. Then on Pentecost, he came again in the form of the comforter, the Holy Spirit. He now lives within us who believe, who are the Church, the body of Christ. He will most likely fulfill the fall feasts as well.

The fall feasts are yet to be fulfilled. I will write more on this later. for now here is the time line of where I am so far: