Lori,
I was amazed at your poetic rendition of Isaiah 25 where you focused on the “veil” but also you clearly discerned the many other aspects of what is written there. Clearly you were graced by God in your interpretation of this prophetic passage from Isaiah which you so beautifully penned in your poem.
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2018/lorif1230.htm
I am very curious as to why you at this time focused on the “veil” aspects of this prophecy. Was there something you read from Christian literature or were you drawn (at this time) to this particular passage by God somehow?
I ask this because I have recently been led or drawn to quite a different interpretation of the end times rapture scenario and what I have found from scripture also includes this “veil” of which you speak. And it certainly appears that “the veil aspect” of the rapture scenario plays a very important role into what happens.
I can see from your poem that you understand what is to happen on Mount Zion...... you portrayed it beautifully in your poem. But in the event that you don't know how the Mount Zion event fits into the end time scenario let me try to describe the events that lead up to and then culminate at Mount Zion or the Mount of Olives. Until last week.... these events or multiple aspects of scripture were to me... just that....random prophetic scripture happenings like confusing pieces in some big jigsaw puzzle. But all that changed for me last week when I did a bible study on a different topic only to be led into the revelation / clarification of the whole end time scenario including the “veil” aspect of which you speak.
Let me try to chronicle the events that lead up to the Mount Zion / Mount of Olives “veil” removal and then what happens after that veil is removed.
First we need to lay or build some biblical groundwork for perspective....
As per 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4..... “the day of Christ” (the rapture) or the gathering together of the dead and the alive in Christ will not come (will not happen) unless or until there is a falling away and the man of sin (the son of perdition, the antichrist) is present on the world stage. This passage from Thessalonians also indicates that this “day of Christ” ( rapture) will not occur until after this man of sin has sat in the temple of God and exalted himself above all that is called God. And then as per verse 4 somehow he, the antichrist, seemingly convinces the world that he is God.
So the rapture can't occur until this happens. So the “falling away” term used here in 2 Thessalonians 2 can't mean the resurrection of the church because this passage of scripture would be contradicting itself within two verses. Consequently this term “falling away” has to mean the apostasy of the church or the great falling away from the faith or apathy toward the faith in the end times.
This passage in 2 Thessalonians 2 concerning the actions of the coming antichrist is authenticated ( totally backed up) in Revelation 13:6 which re-states the same actions being portrayed by the antichrist but with one very important distinction.....in Revelation 13 it also gives us a time frame. There it states that this event....the event of setting in the temple and declaring to the world that he (the antichrist) is the real true God happens after the antichrist has been on the world stage for 42 months.(verse 5)
In 2 Thessalonians 2:4 it says that …..he, the antichrist,..... shows himself that he is God.
How does he demonstrate to the world that he is indeed God?
Revelation 13:7 says that it was granted to him (by God) to make war (kill) the two end time witnesses. Revelation 11 states the same verbiage and the same time frame. It says in verse 7 that when these two witnesses had completed their ministry of 1260 days or 42 months that God allowed the beast who came up from the bottomless pit to make war against them, overcome them, and kill them.
So what can we then definitely conclude from these three areas of scripture?
there is a great falling away of the Christian faith, a great apostasy, a great apathy of the faith in the end times
“The Day of Christ” in 2 Thessalonians 2:2 which is the rapture (not to be confused with The Day of the Lord) doesn't happen until after the man of sin sits in the temple of God ….”showing himself that he is God”
this man of sin or the son of perdition or the antichrist and the two end time witnesses show up on the world stage at the same time.
The bible says (Revelation 13) that after the antichrist appeared on the world stage that he marveled the world populous with his signs and wonders and his ability to speak great things. They worshiped him.....”Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with the beast ?” Revelation 13:4
How long did this worldwide love fest for the antichrist last before he changed his ways?
In verse 5 God says that this love fest lasted 42 months.......”And he was given a mouth speaking great things (the things the world wanted to hear) and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue (this love fest) for 42 months”(verse 5). Then it says that this beast changed.....it says....”Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme God's name, God's tabernacle, and those who live in heaven”. (Which is exactly what is stated in 2 Thessalonians 2:4)
We know that this 42 months is only a fraction of the total end time tribulation period because many many things happen after this point and after these happenings are reached.
We know from Revelation 11 that the ministry of the two end time witnesses lasted 1260 days (42 months) and then the beast from the bottomless pit who arises as the antichrist is allowed to make war (kill) them.
We know exactly the same information by reading Revelation 13 that after 42 months or 1260 days the beast that arose from the sea / bottomless pit was allowed by God to make war, overcome and kill the two witnesses. (Verse 7)
So by doing the math we know that the man of sin and the two witnesses arrive on the world stage at the same time. Both have ministries one good, one evil. While the two witnesses are preaching the gospel of Jesus around the world, the man of sin is orchestrating and planning his coming evil wrath which begins right after he is allowed by God to kill the two witnesses at the half way point of a 7 year period or after 42 months.
We know by reading “between the lines” that the world signed onto the antichrist's agenda after they witnessed him kill the two witnesses. Witnesses that no power on earth could harm during the 1260 days of their ministry for fear of being turned into a human toasted marshmallow. Revelation 11:5
We should also know by reading between the lines that there will be two ministries going on for the initial 42 months or during the first half of a 7 year period.
An evil “worldly” ministry conducted by the antichrist and his Satanic world team.....you know, Hollywood, the mass media services, the deep state / one world order crowd, the banksters, etc.
And then, a good, pure, and righteous ministry devoted to the teachings of Jesus Christ administered by the two end time witnesses. It's a certainty that these two witnesses will be hated and completely minimized by the Satanic world press and establishment.....much as Trump is today.
How does Jesus describe this assault?.....”they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, you will be hated by all nations for My name's sake”.....
Near the end of this initial 42 month / 1260 day period everyone on the earth will have made a decision whether they realize it or not. Will they be a follower of the evil ministry, the antichrist's, and his worldly system or will they have accepted Jesus and His gospel put forth by the two witnesses?
God certainly will know what is in their hearts.
At this point it will be known if you are a wheat or a tare and soon after this point of time a separation will occur. Some will be gathered and taken to places of refuge and security and some will be left to face the wrath of God and the terror and wrath of Satan and his evil team. Matthew 24:40-41
If you read my posts last week you know that scripture indicates that a security zone, a protected refuge will be set up west of Jerusalem in a new valley that God creates there.......this for the Jewish remnant.
And the Christian church (those who have accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior) will also be gathered there and protected until we go up to met Jesus in the clouds above this protection zone after “the veil” of which Lori speaks of in her poem.......has been lifted.
Now that we know the general overview of the first half of the seven year period lets zoom in and focus on the vast array of specific events that will happen per God's word during a rather narrow window of time...... at or near the half way point of this period.
What is the catalyst near the half way point of the 7 years that causes or may cause the snow ball to start down the mountain? (so to speak)
I believe Daniel has the answer for that.....Daniel 12:11 says that 1290 days before the end....or doing the math, 30 days prior to the half way point of the 7 years.... that “daily sacrifice” is taken away and the “abomination of desolation” is “set up”.
Revelation 13 seems to indicate that this abomination is an image, a statue or likeness of the antichrist that somehow has breath and speaks. We also see this from Jesus's Himself in Matthew 24:15 that this “abomination of desolation” is something that stands in the holy place. Is this “holy place” Jerusalem or a temple in Jerusalem? Either way it appears from Jesus that a very bad person or entity shows up in Jerusalem. Jesus then in Matthew 24 warns the Jews living there to evacuate immediately when they see this entity show up in Jerusalem. Obviously at that time there is no major war going or the people would already have sought safer locations. In Matthew 24:15 Jesus seems to indicate in His wording (let him who reads this understand) that if the Jews who will be living there in Jerusalem know their scripture......Zechariah, Isaiah, etc. they will know where to run to for safety.....more on that later.
Consider now this time, which is ….30 days prior to the half way point of the seven year period......the ministry of the two witness is almost over (30 more days).......the antichrist has had almost 3.5 years (lacking 30 days) to consolidate his worldwide power structure.
At this point as per Daniel 12, the antichrist sets up this abomination, this breathing, talking likeness of himself in Jerusalem. He also then as per Daniel 9 and Daniel 12 cancels daily sacrifices and offerings and demands all religions and peoples make these daily sacrifices and offerings to him alone as the one true God.
That certainly appears to portray what the conditions will be in Israel / Jerusalem.
I believe that this evil brazen development will be the catalyst that prompts Israel and the Israeli defense forces to launch an attack on what will then be the “new world order forces” overseen by the antichrist that have amassed and surround the state of Israel. The retaliation from these amassed forces and the war that results is described in Ezekiel 38 and 39, Zechariah 12, 13, 14 and many other areas of scripture.
The condensed version of this war is this...after a short period of time Israel's defense forces are over-run. Two thirds of the Jewish nation are killed (Zechariah 13) and when all seems lost God the Father who has a covenant with Israel will jump right into the middle of this fray in a huge way.....not so much for the people but to preserve His holy name......”I will not let them profane My holy name anymore”.....Ezekiel 39:7
Now is when things and events begin to happen at a furious pace. The world will then experience the opening salvo's and the many aspects of The Day of the Lord and the opening of the sixth seal. Both of these titles are well scripted in the bible and involve varied and multiple parameters. Whole books could be written on the many aspects of....”The Day of the Lord” which is well documented throughout scripture.
When God intervenes for Israel according to scripture many things transpire.
He fights off the invading armies with flooding rain, great hailstones, fire, and brimstone. He turns every man's sword against his brother......confusion. He says in Ezekiel that.....the fury will show in My face.....and in Revelation 6 (during the sixth seal) referencing the same event its says.....hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne. The consequences for Israel's enemies for looking at the face of God are these....which are described in Zechariah 14:12......”And this is the plague with which the Lord will strike all the people who fought against Jerusalem”.
…....their flesh shall dissolve while they stand on their feet......
…....their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets.......
…....and their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths......
God the Father provides a new security zone for the Jewish remnant.....
Zechariah 14 says that God steps on the Mount of Olives (Mount Zion) and it splits in two with half going north and half going south creating a new great valley that extends east and west starting in Jerusalem where half of the city falls within this new security zone. Zechariah 14:2
This new valley is a protected area seemingly protected by the great angel Michael as per Daniel 12. The Jewish remnant whose names are found written in the book (Daniel 12:1) are allowed into this new security zone. Surely other Jews who try to enter will not be allowed. As per Revelation 12 it states twice that these remnant Jews will be fed and taken care of for 1260 days.....which becomes the last half of the 7 year period. Revelation 12 says that Satan tries to get to these Jews to kill them but can't penetrate the security zone so he tries to kill them by flooding them only to have the earth open up to drain the flood waters. Enraged.. he then focuses on Jews and other believers around the world..... external to the security zone.
This security zone is also used as a temporary safe haven for Christ's church just before the rapture as well......
Zechariah 14 also states in verse 5 that after this zone of protection has been established that ….the Lord my God (Jesus) will come with all the saints (His Church) with Him....
Matthew 24:31 says that Jesus will send His angels with the great sound of a trumpet, and these angels will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Notice He said “gather together” meaning two groups, the dead and the alive from not only earth but also from heaven.
1 Thessalonians 4:14 ...”For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus”....
When these angels gather us all together where do they take us? As per Zechariah 14 we are taken to this security / protection zone.
Why is the Christian church, the dead and the alive, gathered from heaven and earth and brought to this new security zone / security valley which extends from half of Jerusalem westward?
Two reasons...the first is security in that the bible says that Satan is the prince of the power of the air and before the church can be taken up to meet Jesus in the clouds the air space has to be secured. Remember Revelation 12 that says Satan will be waiting to devour the Church as soon as it is born. Remember.... “is born”!!!! we'll get to that important point later.
That brings up reason number two why we, the church, have to be taken to Jerusalem before we can rise to meet Jesus in the clouds. As the bible says we have to be..... born again. …..This as per John 3 is non- negotiable....
John 3:3....Jesus answered and said to him, Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
John 3:4 ...Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mothers womb and be born?
John 3:5....Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he can not enter the kingdom of God.
John 3:7...(Jesus speaking) Do not marvel when I say to you, You must be born again.
OK....we the church are brought to Jerusalem but how are we to be “born again” after we get there. Remember Jesus said we can't see or enter heaven with being born again. There will be no way the church can get to see or go to heaven without the golden ticket so to speak.....and that ticket is that we have to be born again of water and the Spirit.
Now lets see how all of this marvelous “born again” stuff will be made possible.
For that we have to go back to Zechariah 14. There in verse 8 we see where God the Father not only broke the Mount of Olives in two and created a new protected valley but He also created a new river that flows from this area of Jerusalem. These waters flow both east and west from this area of Jerusalem.
Zechariah said that these waters were.....”living waters”.
Why are these waters to be.... living waters?
Where was Jesus crucified and died? Jerusalem
Was not water and blood shed on the ground where He was crucified there in Jerusalem?
John 19:34.....But one of the soldiers pierced His side with a spear, and immediately blood and water came out.
How about the Spirit of Jesus, was that also deposited in Jerusalem when Jesus died?
John 19:30.....So when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, “it is finished! And bowed His head, He gave up His Spirit.
Matthew 27:50.....(at His crucifixion).....And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice, and yielded up His Spirit.
So what was deposited on the ground.... on the soil..... of Jerusalem nearly 2000 years ago?
Water from Jesus, blood from Jesus and the Spirit of Jesus.
Do you see now why the waters from this new river coming from Jerusalem are called “living waters”?!!
These waters contain the blood and the Spirit of Jesus that were deposited there at His crucifixion.
And the only way we Christians can be “born again” of water and the Spirit as Jesus has mandated....... is to be immersed in these living waters.
This completely explains why the dead in Christ and the alive in Christ have to be gathered from heaven and earth and taken by the angels to Jerusalem to be baptized in these living waters. There we get our robs....robs to be washed white in the blood of the Lamb.
Revelation 7:13-14....Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, “Who are these arrayed in white robs, and where did they come from?
14..And I said to him, “Sir you know”
So he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robs and made them white in the blood of the Lamb”.
All of these millions of baptisms in this river and being born again will be witnessed and attested to by God's two time witnesses just prior to their deaths at the 42 month mark there in Jerusalem.
OK...so lets catch up on the story line. We (the Christian church) will have been gathered from heaven and from earth by angels and taken to the new security zone adjacent to Jerusalem where we will be “born again” by immersing in the living waters of the new river that contains the water, blood and Spirit of Jesus that He shed there on the ground nearly 2000 years ago at His crucifixion. We will then qualify to not only see heaven but also to enter it.
Are there any other obstacles that will face us or hinder us there at Jerusalem before we can change in the twinkling of an eye from mortal to immortal....get our new bodies and meet Jesus in the clouds?
Yes... Remember above when I said that from Revelation 12:4 that Satan was ready to devour the church as soon as it was born. It appears to me that after we have been baptized in the living waters and are indeed born....born again....that we still can not arise to meet Jesus in the clouds or as scripture says Satan will be waiting to destroy us. Remember....the prince of the power of the air still has his fangs so to speak. And also we can't at this point enter heaven either because Satan still has rights / privileges to it. I am sure that the Church and Satan would not mix well in heaven.
The solution to this quandary is found in Revelation 12 where God in that same time frame dispatches Michael and his angels to war with Satan and his angels and drive them from heaven. Michael and his angels prevailed in that war and there was no place found in heaven after that for Satan and his angels. Satan and his angels were cast to the earth. But scripture indicates that that still wasn't enough to secure our security so that we could meet Jesus in the clouds.
Scripture also says in multiple areas that the powers of heaven had to be shaken. Certainly Satan is and plays a large part of....”the powers of heaven”. It says in Revelation 6 after the opening of the sixth seal that the stars of heaven fell to the earth...... Fell softly like overripe figs. And then the sky itself was rolled up like a scroll.
Isaiah 34 says it this way.....the host (stars)of heaven will be dissolved. And the heavens shall be rolled up like a scroll. And the host(stars) shall fall down....as a dried leaf falls from the vine (softly)
Isaiah 25:7 says it this way.....And God will destroy on this mountain (Mount Zion ) the surface of the covering that is cast over all people. And the veil that is spread over all nations.
Basically what I believe this is saying is that God is going to remove Satan's powers of the air by removing the sky......rolling it up. But just before doing that He also dissolves the stars and let's them fall to earth softly like over ripe figs or a dried leaf falling to the ground. The combination of these two actions by God seemingly relegates Satan powerless to control the air space above earth any longer and grounds him so to speak like a bird with it's wings clipped.
Now I believe, at this point, the Christian Church can be changed in the twinkling of an eye from mortal to immortal and now safety rise to meet Jesus in the clouds over Jerusalem to ever be with their Lord and Savior.
I know many of you Doves don't believe what scripture has to say about what's over our heads above earth in the heavens. You don't believe as scripture states that there is a solid veil, a firmament above us that is a barrier as Lori's poem and Isaiah 25 indicate. You don't believe that the stars are small and are embedded in water above the firmament (God separated the waters from the waters....Genesis) and will fall softly to earth when God instructs them to.
You do believe what the Freemason Satanic scientists have told you that there is no barrier, no veil, no firmament and that we have probes and astro-nots running to and fro up there hop scotching from one celestial body to the next. Like today when NASA proclaimed that they just received a picture of a celestial body that is a billion miles away. Without multiple repeaters and power we can't even communicate a few thousand miles...... yet they (NASA) talk complete impossibilities like millions and now billions of miles and most sheeple don't even bat an eye to their complete insanity. They provide nothing but computer generated images which they even admit to. Most people have drunk the poison Kool Aid and completely discount what God has told us concerning what is over our heads in the heavens above.
If someone proclaimed that they could clearly see Chicago from New York city a thousand plus miles away you would call them a ball face liar.
But somehow we can clearly see the moon and it's craters which are per the satanic scientist is 250,000 miles away......how is that possible? It's not possible to even see a tiny fraction of that distance.
God said He placed the sun and the moon in the the firmament or just above the firmament, the veil, only a couple hundred miles above our heads. God twice in scripture says that He stops the sun and moon in their habitation.....meaning that it's the habit, the norm..... for the sun and the moon to move....not the earth. Not only do we fail to believe what God told us about the sun and the moon and the stars but pathetically we won't even believe our our eyes. We can't see 93 million miles, I don't care how big they say the sun is no human eye could see even a tiny fraction of that distance. And don't say that we are just looking at the light of the sun.... obviously it's a defined ball. If Satan and his demonic scientists ….the prince of the power of the air and his evil cohorts.....can make you swallow a lie that big they can literally convince you of anything.....ya that's right we just sent back a picture today of a celestial object a BILLION miles away. That's nice....pass me some more of that Satanic Kool Aid please.
And as per them, please try to remember that the earth is curved.... meaning the oceans are curved..... meaning that..... water will not, does not, seek its own level. Good luck trying to prove that. Maybe one of the Freemason luciferian scientist's can explain this impossibility.
Excuse me for getting a little off tract from our primary discussion which included God's firmament and the veil that covers us........ sometimes I just have to vent about the National Advancement of the Satanic Agenda better know as NASA.
Remember scripture says Satan is the prince of the power of the air. He controls the air above earth and he also controls the total agenda (the science) which deals with that / his possession. I know no one wants to believe that we have been lied to on this grand a scale but it's true.....all courtesy of the father of lies.
I highly encourage you to read for yourselves all the biblical passages I referenced above which concern this whole end time scenario including the rapture. I only scratched the surface from a biblical perspective with the verses I touched on. There is a great deal more scripture that also details God's plans for the tribulation period.
If you do research these scriptures I believe that you will come to the same conclusions I have, in that...... the rapture is not imminent.... but fits into a well orchestrated plan by God and is centered around Jerusalem and the many aspects which will happen there.
This being true..... we no longer need to be focused on the next blood moon or the next solar eclipse or the next feast day or the next earthquake or volcano or the next dream or vision. We need not be sitting on the edge of our seats waiting for an imminent rapture. What we need to focus on is being better followers of Christ, and then, the duel arrival of not only the two end time witnesses but also the arrival of the man of sin, the son of perdition, the antichrist. When they “concurrently” show up on the world stage we will know we have a little less that 3.5 years.....1260 days.......42 months before God's angels come to gather us and deliver us to a new protection zone established west of Jerusalem which will include half of the city.
I am sure you can fill in the blanks of what happens in the last half of the tribulation period, the last 3.5 years. The wrath and horror is detailed in the book of Revelation and elsewhere in scripture for all to see......bad stuff.....very bad stuff. The good news is we as followers of Jesus will be taken up to a place of safety by our Lord and Savior and the Jewish remnant whose names appear in the book will be afforded the same safety only they will be on earth being provided for in the new security zone for 1260 days or the remainder of the 7 year period.
That's enough for today......
Blessings Doves..........John B
P.S. Last week I intimated that our past approach to the rapture and when it would happen was....if viewed from afar......almost cult like.
Now that God and scripture have provided me a much better window into the end time workings I feel almost emancipated …..free. Like some sort of “rapture burden” has been removed from my shoulders. It's a great feeling....Thank you Lord Jesus for the incite into Your word that made this possible.