Lon (18 Jan 2012)
"What scriptures do you use to show that the temple must be rebuilt for end time events to move forward?
Hi Lon!Your question is the RIGHT ONE ("What scriptures do you use") to answer the primary question of whether the temple will be built. The secondary question, then, is "Must it be built for end time events to move forward?"......which then raises the final question of.....was Jesus, in prophesying of the time of the Great Tribulation, saying that the (physical act of) abomination of desolation (in a physical temple) was going to happen twice, or was He telling us that what Antiochus Epiphanes (who occupied Jerusalem and desecrated the temple) did physically in the Temple a prophetic forerunner of what was to come in the spiritual ?*Asking those three questions and understanding the answers from Scripture show TRUE "progressive revelation" - which is when one works their way through the scriptures, searching, comparing contexts, reasoning, and letting them interpret themselves to our understanding. So, to the first question: "What scriptures are used to show that the temple will (supposedly) be built?Below are the most used passages of Scripture which I've seen tribulation-temple-believers use to 'prove' a temple will be built. Under each section of Scripture, I've offered an explanation for your consideration of the spiritual, rather than the physical, application.* Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 2 Thess. 2:4This is the abomination (against God Himself!) - the very act of disobeying the 1st commandment. The 2nd commandment deals with the images/idols (which the antichrist will also erect.) But to manyChristians, the most important word in that passage is the word "sitteth", from which they assume there must be a rebuilt temple for the antichrist to literally sit in.However, the rest of the verse says, "...sitteth in the temple of God." We know that after Jesus was crucified, God sees the body of Believers as the spiritual temple of God. From this we must reason that if the antichrist "sits" or "stands" anywhere in a "temple", it must be that he is sitting or standing in the midst of the body of Believers who are also called "Living Sacrifices" and the "oblations/offerings" are their "prayers." Therefore, when those Believers reject and oppose the antichrist, he will seek to put an END TO THE SACRIFICES (the Living Sacrifices, i.e. Believers) by killing them, which will cause their oblations/offerings/prayers to cease.* When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand) Matthew 24:15Another physical temple would not be considered the holy place since it would be an insult to the completed work of Christ and God would not consider it "the holy place." What He considers "the holy place" - or temple - is the body of Believers; and on that fact, I do not see the "abomination" to be yet another desecration of another rebuilt temple; but instead, the abomination will be committed within "the Holy Place" of the temple" which is among Believers.As a matter of fact, the little red flag that indicates a defining moment where you might gain real wisdom is in re-consideration of the initial reading that the abomination/idol/image that will "stand in the holy place" just might not be where you think it is! It is a warning to whoso readeth, let him understand that something is up with this verse.....that The abomination will stand in the holy place.....huh? Where? In a physical temple that is an insult to the completed work of Christ so it isn't considered "the holy place" at all? Rather, the true "holy place" is among God's people! When the abomination/image/idol is erected in Jerusalem, New Believers, those left behind at the Rapture (which had been a SIGN UNTO THEM) will understand.......and God's People the Jews (the religious Orthodox who believe that 'no man is God' (and therefore have rejected Jesus Christ) will reject yet another "man" and FLEE, as Jesus warned them to do.In addition, consider that the antichrist's abomination of declaring himself god, plus the erection of an idol-image that is to be worshipped is only an abomination (a vile disgusting abhorrence) to those who know and understand the ramifications of worshipping something or someone other than the True Living God! The abomination would not be offensive to a BUILDING, especially one that is not even a true "holy place." But it would be offensive to living believers who believe in the One True God of Abraham, Isaac, & Jacob! So when the abomination "stands in the holy place" it will be in the midst of God's people.....new believers and the religious Jews who will SEE IT for what it is - an ABOMINATION!* And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the middle of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured on the desolate. Daniel 9:27The first point of this verse concerns the confirming of 'THE covenant.' The second point of this verse concerns 'the middle of the week'. The third point concerns the 'sacrifice and the oblation.' But first let's clear up any misunderstanding of the fourth point of this verse, that of: the overspreading of abominations .The NIV has rendered this as "for the overspreading of abominations "upon the wing" (of the temple). There is no 'wing of the temple' in the trustful version of the KJV. It reads "for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate..." In fact, there is no mention of a temple in this verse at all. Historically, the overspreading of abominations referred to the wrath of God which fell on Israel ( by means of the Romans) by which the holy place was polluted & subsequently destroyed. "On the wing ("of the temple") was likely "added" as a reference to the 'battlements' ( or, parapets - open spaces on the temple walls from which to launch weapons) of the Roman army during its historical fulfillment of when they destroyed the Temple in70 AD.The first point (THE covenant) refers to the Abrahamic covenant of the Jews inheritance of the Land. This is what the antichrist will "confirm" - an historical and ancient covenant already in existence that he will reaffirm to the "many" as the Jews "right to exist in the Land given to them by God." Keep in mind that shortly after he "confirms the covenant", he WILL DECLARE THAT HE IS GOD! The new believers and the religious Jews will know this is not so - BUT, those "who love not the truth" will believe that he is god and that he had the right to confirm that covenant.....but shortly thereafter, he will cause the sacrifice and oblation to cease, for the overspreading of abominations (i.e. the antichrist's wrath will fall upon God's people and he will go after them to persecute and kill them, thereby putting an end to the (living) sacrifices and their oblations/offerings of prayer.The second point ('the middle of the week') refers to the middle of the 70th Week (which is the last 7 years of the 70 weeks that will incorporate Christ's 2nd Coming!) This is the time of "great tribulation such as the world has never seen." Because we believe the 70th Week began at the beginning of the last Sabbatical cycle (Rosh HaShanah 2008), we now believe we are IN the middle year of the 70th Week (2011-2012). It is more than likely (based on our understanding of the Sabbaths and Sabbatical cycles as related to the 70th Week) that early this Spring 2012 will see the casting out of satan from the heavens, satan's empowering the antichrist to go forth (opening of the first seal - the revelation of the antichrist), and the time of great tribulation will commence.The third point of this verse concerns the ('sacrifice and the oblation.') The explanation for the spiritual application of "living sacrifices" and "oblations/offerings/prayers" is given as the body of Believers who are also called "Living Sacrifices" and the "oblations/offerings" are their "prayers." When these Believers reject and oppose the antichrist, he will seek to put an END TO THE SACRIFICES (the Living Sacrifices, i.e. Believers) by killing them, which will cause their oblations/offerings/prayers to cease. This is based on the fact of scriptures which continually demonstrate that BELIEVERS ARE THE TEMPLE OF GOD! Here are just a few:Acts 17:24 - "God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands."1 Cor. 3:16 - Don't you know that you yourselves are God's temple and that God's Spirit lives in you?"1 Cor. 6:19 - "Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit?"Acts 7:48 - "The Most High does not dwell in houses made by human hands."To reiterate, I believe that God now sees only one "temple" > the "body of Christ." I do not see the "abomination" to be yet another desecration of another rebuilt temple, but rather, what Antiochus did physically, the antichrist will do spiritually within the TRUE "temple"* Then a reed was given me to serve as a measuring rod; and a voice said, "Rise, and measure God's sanctuary--and the altar--and count the worshipers who are in it. Rev. 11:1A reed was used as a stick of measurement for the former temples. It will also be used to measure the future Temple of Ezekiel 40 which Christ will build in the Millennial Kingdom upon a greatly enlarged Temple Mount (due to topographical earthquake alterations). But the former reeds and the future reeds are said to be golden reeds. Yet the reference to a REED LIKE UNTO A ROD is given for the temple mentioned in Revelation. Why? A rod suggests punishment. The ROD speaks of judgment, chastisement. It is a reed like unto judgment that references the temple. But you can't punish a building. You can punishment people. Why the punishment? Because those who are going through the Great Tribulation were left behind after the Rapture. They must now go through this chastisement for their previous unbelief, although they are saved, although they themselves are now the Temple of the Holy Spirit, they will be martyred for their testimony for Christ. The Temple will be 'measured'with a ROD, not a golden reed.Yet, some people mistakenly assume there will be a rebuilt temple because they see a reference to "measuring" that temple. However, notice that there are NO MEASUREMENTS GIVEN! Why? Because you can't "measure people!" People -believers!- are the temple! We are even told to count the worshipers! Don't make the same mistake that the Jews made at Jesus' First Advent - they looked for physical deliverance. Today people are expecting a physical "tribulation temple" to be built, which would supposedly shed light on God's Timeline regarding the end-days......which brings us to the secondary question of "Must it be built for end time events to move forward?"One of the things people have forgotten about Daniel was that during his captivity in Babylon, THERE WAS NO TEMPLE. It had been destroyed and Daniel had been taken captive. Yet, Daniel believed and continued to worship the God of Israel. Daniel himself, as far as God was concerned, was the Temple of God. His heart, soul, mind, and spirit were the Temple in which he worshipped God. He was a LIVING SACRIFICE in that he was captive in a foreign land yet remained true to the Living God of Israel. He also offered OBLATIONS (prayers) to God several times daily. Yet there was no physical temple for him to do this in.Could King Nebuchadnezzar have defiled the Temple of God by stopping (killing) the (living) sacrifices, thus causing the oblations (prayers) to cease..... just as the antichrist will? YES . In fact he tried. When Nebuchadnezzar SET UP AN IMAGE/IDOL (again, just as the antichrist will) to be worshipped, he threatened that whosoever refused "should be cast into the midst of a burning fiery furnace." "And there were certain Jews whom thou has set over the affairs of the province of Babylon, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego....." who refused...."O king, we will not serve thy gods, nor worship the golden image which thou has set up." And guess what? They were bound and cast into the burning fiery furnace. Yet they didn't burn. In fact, Nebuchadnezzar commanded the fire be notched up 7 times hotter. But they were still safe for the Angel of the Lord stood among them.It is going to be the same during the Great Tribulation. There doesn't have to be a physical temple built in order to have sacrifices and oblations stopped by the antichrist. When Jesus died, the Veil in the Temple was torn in two....representing the FINAL SACRIFICE, (Lamb of God) had been made. There is no longer a need for a Temple and sin & guilt sacrifices. In John 4:23 Jesus said: But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. Jesus was saying NOW IS....NOW IS! He hadn't died yet, nor had the temple been destroyed, but He was already even then saying THE TEMPLE BUILDING IS NOTHING BUT A PHYSCIAL SYMBOL OF A SPIRITUAL REALITY THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN IN EFFECT!!! "Jesus had begun building His Spiritual Temple and has been building it ever since. His Blood Sacrifice was made once for all. The next Temple that will be built will be the one He will build in His Millennial Kingdom.....which is The Third Temple/the Millennial Temple, which is the Temple found in Ezekiel 40, to be built by Jesus, the King of Kings and Lord of Lords. There you will find all the measurements needed to SEE that a physical Temple will be built!The conclusion to the question "Must it be built for end time events to move forward?" is NO! In fact, believing that a physical temple must be built in order to move forward with the great tribulation is a mistake that will derail you, causing you to mistake the time. It doesn't matter what plans are in the works -and have been for quite some time- for a Third/Tribulation Temple: breeding red heifers for use in sanctifying the temple, the cornerstone that has been quarried (and replaced because the first one was stolen!), or that the priesthood is being verified, or that the Sanhedrin is claiming jurisdiction over official religious matters (that's a prophecy that must be fulfilled before Jesus returns anyway), or that there have been a couple of "sacrifices" on a nearby hill near the Western Wall, or that the Temple Institute has recreated most of the implements used in temple worship. None of these things matter to God. They matter to men, because these are man-made preparations for something man wants!!!.....TO BRING IN THE KINGDOM! But shouldn't this show you just how close we are to the Millennial Kingdom and the need for these instruments in a righteous Temple built by Jesus Christ? But it is Jesus Christ who will bring in the Kingdom! He has been building HIS TEMPLE not made with hands! He began it with His final sacrifice of the Lamb of God .Jesus tells us in Rev. 3:10 "I will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth." What is that temptation? It is the same temptation that Jesus was offered.....to bow down and worship satan. THAT is what is coming upon the world and most will indeed bow down. Those who won't - those who overcometh and hold fast, and love not their lives unto death will become living sacrifices for their testimony in Jesus Christ.Those who don't believe the end times can move forward until a temple is built are not expecting that the great tribulation is almost upon us...for we are now in the 4th (middle) year of the 70th Week and this coming Spring will be the "midst of the 70th Week"!Take the time to consider all of the events that have been fulfilled pertaining to the Nation of Israel, comparing it to the first time God called Israel a nation, and the parallel to the (2nd time) Israel became a nation, from being born in a day (1948), to coming to maturity (20 years old in 1967) and reunifying Jerusalem, which began the generation which "would not pass away" but would see all things fulfilled. And consider that just as the first nation Israel was punished for their rebellion and were not allowed to enter the Promised Land for 40 years......we see from 1967, when God gave Israel the victory to once again secure Jerusalem, they rebelled again by returning God's Holy Temple Mount to the Muslims. It was not theirs to give away! It belongs to God! I believe that rebellious act began another 40 years of punishment for their unbelief and wrong choices & decisions. However, that 40 years ended in the Sabbath year of 2007. THIS generation (which will not pass away as did the first generation) is about to witness the completion of God's Plan for the Redemption of Israel, and indeed, the world! In 2008 a new Sabbatical cycle commenced.....the last 7 years.....the long awaited 70th Week. It will end with Jesus coming to save Jacob out of his trouble just before the Sabbath Year 2014-2015 to bring Israel, His people and the earth into HIS REST! The following year 2015-2016 will begin the "second Sabbath/Year of Jubilee".I hope this helps as you consider what all of the scriptures say regarding the time we are in right now and what we should expect...and should not expect. For more details visit godstimeline.net.Until.....Sherry Vance~