Pineman: (16 Jan 2012) How do you explain Pastor Bob's Research Regarding The Tribulation Temple??? Frank R Molver (16 Jan 2012)
"tweeking the temple to fit your spin on prophecy"
There is not really any "misunderstanding" about the 'tribulation temple'- it is simply a choice whether one believes there will be a physical rebuilt temple repeating what Antiochus did physically, or whether one believes the antichrist will do spiritually within the TRUE "temple" or "holy place" which is the BODY of Believers. Scripturally, there are no passages that give measurements for a 'tribulation temple.' It is said to be measured with a "rod" yet no measurements are given as in the previous temples. The rod (rather than a reed or golden reed with which the former temples were measured) points to a rod of punishment (for former unbelief in those left behind after the Resurrection/Rapture.) You can't punish a building. It is only by assumptive reasoning that one comes to their conclusion there will be a physical rebuilt temple.Perferring to believe the premise that the supernatural aspects of the Temple (the eternal flame, the presence of God in the Holy of Holies, etc.) ceased at the time of the crucifixion, and that the veil was torn the very hour of Christ's death (Luke 23:45) as a way of the Father saying that He was finished with a physical structure as the temple, I believe the former physical temple was a forerunner of what was to come in the spiritual with the Risen Christ. I do not see the "abomination" to be yet another desecration of another rebuilt temple.I have not only read Randy Price's works, I have been with him personally on several occasions. He is a wonderful scholar, archaeologist, and author....and a very nice man. I have great respect for him. However, he believes in a 7 year pre-tribulation rapture and that a tribulation temple will literally be built. I used to believe the same thing. But I simply no longer accept the 7 year tribulation viewpoint, having seen too many discrepancies in the reasoning for it; and also since coming to an understanding of the Time of Jacob's Trouble, when it began, the rejection of the doctrine of imminency, the Advocacy of Christ as the key to when the Resurrection/Rapture can take place, and the extreme importance of the Sabbaths and Sabbatical cycles. None of this is taken into consideration in the 7 year pre-tribulation view. So be it. It's a choice. We all like to present our views for the consideration of others; but only time will bear it out.Sometimes it may be beneficial to "read the experts" and those who have devoted their career to the subject, but I prefer to have the Scriptures as my sole authority as I know they will interpret themselves with the help of the Holy Spirit and there will be no contradictions (and if there seems to be, then I know my understanding is wrong.)I am aware, having traveled to Israel 15 times in the last 10 years, that the Israeli engineers and architects, the Rabbis and the Temple Institute have long been preparing the temple implements. I have seen many of them myself. I have visited the Temple Institute many times. I have even seen the uncut-by-human hands corner stone for the Temple on the back of a flatbed truck and have shaken the hand of Gershon Salomon who continually keeps the promise and plan of rebuilding the temple "before the eyes of Israel and the world." And I am aware that the now re-formed Sanhedrin (a prophecy fulfilled, as they must be on the scene when Jesus returns in order to say Baruch Haba Bashem Adonai) is involved in wanting to rebuild the temple. It doesn't surprise me that they are trying to convince the Knesset.Right now there is NO outcry from the general Orthodox Community to rebuild the temple. They will NOT even now go up on the Temple Mount to pray. It is forbidden for them to go up. I guarantee they will not go up to the Temple Mount as long as the profane place is there anyway, even if a 'temple' would be built.I believe that theologians, "experts" and "those who have devoted their careers on the subject" today are making the same mistake the Jews made at Jesus' First Advent. The Jews looked for a physical deliverance....today people are expecting a physical "tribulation temple" to be built. But at Jesus' First Advent He offered Spiritual Deliverance, and is STILL offering spiritual deliverance today and in the great tribulation times that will begin shortly.It doesn't impress me that anyone has seen gondolas loaded with cut limestone blocks being shipped to Israel. What makes me wonder, though, is WHY??? Jerusalem is the City of Gold. That is referring to the wonderfully beautiful Jerusalem Stone that is quarried and used in every single building, wall, overpass, and structure in Jerusalem. It is the law that every surface -even along the highways- must have a Jerusalem stone facade. When the sun sets on this stone, it gleams - like gold! And there is plenty of STONE in Jerusalem! Why would anyone WANT Bedford limestone? Because of the Masonic Plan? I didn't think they were that stupid as to ship stone from New Jersey to Israel. But who knows?And yes we all know that the Masons are hep on presenting their Masonic antichrist and that the New World Order is set up and the global economy is being prepared for the Mark of the Beast. But God is still on His Throne and is in control!If He allows some kind of building made from Bedford stone to rise up on His Holy Mountain so that the Masonic antichrist can SIT or STAND in it (even though America is Mystery Babylon and the seat of the antichrist's power is in Washington D.C.) then I guess He will let them. But I doubt it. I don't plan to be here to see it anyway.As far as I'm concerned, Jesus will return as per John 7:Just as in Daniel's day, there doesn't have to be a physical temple built in order to have sacrifices and oblations stopped by the antichrist. I believe the next Temple that will be built will be the one Jesus will build in His Millennial Kingdom.....which is The Third Temple/the Millennial Temple, which is the Temple found in Ezekiel 40, built by Jesus, the King of Kings and Lord of Lords. There you will find all the measurements needed to SEE that a physical Temple will be built!Until, Sherry Vance