Marilyn Agee (6 Jan 2012)
"Re: The Simultaneous Rapture and Sudden Destruction"


 
Hi:
 
> > the Planned Sudden Destruction and the 1st day of the 1335-day Great Tribulation being the very same day of Jan. 28, 2012
 
I have my doubts that the sudden destruction happens at the First-Trump Rapture. I think it happens at the Last-Trump Rapture. 
 
Ron, I know you don't want to discuss things pro and con with me, because you told me that early on. However, I must have my say on this, and you do not need to answer if you don't want to discuss it, because Scripture is plain. Sudden destruction comes upon "them", not upon "us". To whom does "them" apply in I Thess 5?
 
> > In one of his (Hilton Sutton's) sermons, I remember quite vividly, he proclaimed that as the nuclear bombs were DESCENDING, the saints would be ASCENDING in the Rapture, at the exact same time. 
 
I don't think nuclear bombs will be descending at the Last-Trump Rapture, much less at the First-Trump Rapture. What descends at the last Rapture is Satan's asteroid Wormwood (Rev. 8:11). Gog's army will be attacking Israel. No sane military leader would drop a nuclear bomb on his own army to defeat himself. Only 1/6th of his army will survive.

Eze 39:2 says, "And I will turn thee back, and leave but the sixth part of thee".

A mountain-sized piece will probably split off at the Roche Limit, 11,000 miles out. It will hit the Mediterranean Sea and the resulting blast and tsunami will wash Gog's army out of Israel's hair.
 
> > After Paul gives us the details of the Rapture in I Thess. 4:16-18, he continues on in Chapter 5 on the same subject matter.  

> > We can know this because the very first word in Chapter 5 is "BUT", a conjuction, or a CONNECTING WORD, which connects the last portion of Chapter 4 with Chapter 5. So, the last three very familar verses of Chapter 4 and the 1st 2 verses of Chapter 5 are talking about the Rapture.
 
It is all one passage, the word "comfort" in ! Thess 4:18 and 5:11 shows that, but those addressed are not always the same. The two groups referred to are we and them. What applies to them does not necessarily apply to we.

According to Strong's, the word "but" can be "adversative or continuative".

According to Webster's: "ADVERS'ATIVE, n. A word denoting contrariety or opposition."

According to RB Thieme, "but" denotes change. He knows Greek better than I know English.
 
> > The first word of the very next verse, verse 3, starts with the word FOR, another connecting word, connecting verse 3 with verse 2, so it is easy to conclude that verse 3 is also referring to the Rapture.  Verse 3 says, "...then SUDDEN DESTRUCTION cometh upon THEM...and THEY SHALL NOT ESCAPE."  

Yes. 1Th 5:3 is not talking about us. It says, "For when THEY shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon THEM, as travail upon a woman with child; and THEY shall not escape."

In the passage bookended with "comfort" (I Thess 4:17 to 5:11), look for the words "THEY" and "THEM." They do not apply to US. Sudden destruction comes upon "THEM", not upon "US".
 
1Th 4:18: 5:1-11 "Wherefore COMFORT one another with these words. 1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren (believers), YE have no need that I write unto you. 2 For yourselves know perfectly that the DAY OF THE LORD so cometh as a thief in the night. 3 For when THEY shall say, Peace and safety; then SUDDEN DESTRUCTION COMETH UPON THEM, as travail upon a woman with child; and THEY shall not escape. 4 But YE, brethren (believers), are NOT in darkness, that that day should overtake YOU as a thief. 5 YE are all the children of light, and the children of the day: WE are not of the night, nor of darkness. 6 Therefore let US not sleep, as do others; but let US watch and be sober. 7 For THEY that sleep sleep in the night; and THEY that be drunken are drunken in the night. 8 But let US, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. 9 For God hath not appointed US to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, 10 Who died for US, that, whether WE wake or sleep, WE should live together with him. 11 Wherefore COMFORT yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do."

> > The next few verses go on to tell us that the children of light, those who are not spiritually asleep, those who are WATCHING, will ESCAPE THE SUDDEN DESTRUCTION.  These verses tell us emphatically that THE RAPTURE IS AN ESCAPE FROM THE SUDDEN DESTRUCTION!!! 
 
I think it is the second Rapture that is an escape from sudden destruction. It happens on the Day of God's Wrath.

Rev 6:17 says, "For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

Rev 7:9 says, "After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands".

Rev 7:13,14 says, "And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? 14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, THESE ARE THEY WHICH CAME OUT OF GREAT TRIBULATION, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb." The Great Tribulation is the last half of the Tribulation.

> > THE RAPTURE AND SUDDEN DESTRUCTION ARE INSEPARABLE.  They are woven together.  They are one and the same event. 
 
I think the First-Trump Rapture happens some time BEFORE the sudden destruction, but the Last-Trump Rapture happens ON the day of sudden destruction.
 
> > But the GREAT NEWS is that there IS A WAY OF ESCAPE!!!  THE RAPTURE IS OUR ESCAPE!!!  The very next verse in Luke 21:36 says, "WATCH ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be ACCOUNTED WORTHY TO ESCAPE ALL these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man (Jesus)."
 
On this we can agree. Let's go up in the first Rapture. It happens before the Day of God's Wrath arrives. The second Rapture is for the Tribulation saints. We are the Bride saints. We sing the NEW SONG (Rev 5:9) before the first seal of Rev 6 is broken (Rev 6:1).
 
Rev_8:1 says, "And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour."
 
This silence in heaven and earth is when Jesus is being seated at the Judgment Seat of Christ.
 
Hab_2:20 says, "But the LORD is in his holy temple: let all the earth keep silence before him."
 
> > In Luke 17:26-27 and Matthew 24:37-39, in the days of Noah, it was business as usual until, "the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all."  "And as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man (Jesus)."  Noah is being referenced in these verses as a type of the Rapture, our ESCAPE FROM THE SUDDEN DESTRUCTION.

> > The next 3 verses, in Luke 17:28-30, it says, "Likewise, also, as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But THE SAME DAY that Lot went out of Sodom, it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and DESTROYED them all.  Even thus shall it be in THE DAY when the Son of man (Jesus) is revealed."  How much clearer can our Lord make it for us?  THE RAPTURE AND SUDDEN DESTRUCTION WILL BE THE SAME DAY!!! 
 
The days of Noah apply to the First-Trump Rapture. The days of Lot apply to the Last-Trump Rapture.
 
Bless you for striving mightily to understand. Best wishes for the new year. Hope you are right about Jan 28.

Agape,
Marilyn Agee
mjagee@verizon.net
http://prophecycorner.theforeverfamily.com
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Subject: The Simultaneous Rapture and Sudden Destruction

Below is a post that I wrote 2 or 3 years ago.  It is important that we understand that the Rapture and Sudden Destruction are simultaneous.  This can be shown through the Scriptures in this post.  With all of the abundance of evidence pointing us directly to the Planned Sudden Destruction and the 1st day of the 1335-day Great Tribulation being the very same day of Jan. 28, 2012, it is extremely important that we understand Scripturally that we have every reason to expect our Great Escape, the Rapture of the Bride of Christ, on the EXACT same day.  We have 30 days to go.  Are YOU ready???

 

THE SIMULTANEOUS RAPTURE AND SUDDEN DESTRUCTION

In many of my recent posts, I have put the the words SUDDEN DESTRUCTION/RAPTURE together, because I believe they will take place simultaneously.  I believe Scripture supports this premise, and I am about to show you why.  

Back around 1977, I attended a series of Bible Prophecy meetings put on by Hilton Sutton.  Brother Hilton is still teaching on Bible Prophecy, at age 84, as I have seen him on TV recently.  I bought every tape he had made at that time, which really triggered my interest in Bible Prophecy.  In one of his sermons, I remember quite vividly, he proclaimed that as the nuclear bombs were DESCENDING, the saints would be ASCENDING in the Rapture, at the exact same time.  It made a lot of sense to me at the time, and even makes more sense to me now, because my study of the Scripture shows me the same thing.

If we read I Thessalonians 4:16 through 5:9, we learn all about the RAPTURE and some of the details, and we also find the words SUDDEN DESTRUCTION.  These verses are all talking about the same subject--the Rapture and Sudden Destruction.  Men made the Chapter separations.  God did not.  It is all one topic discussed here.  After Paul gives us the details of the Rapture in I Thess. 4:16-18, he continues on in Chapter 5 on the same subject matter.  

We can know this because the very first word in Chapter 5 is "BUT", a conjuction, or a CONNECTING WORD, which connects the last portion of Chapter 4 with Chapter 5. So, the last three very familar verses of Chapter 4 and the 1st 2 verses of Chapter 5 are talking about the Rapture.  The first word of the very next verse, verse 3, starts with the word FOR, another connecting word, connecting verse 3 with verse 2, so it is easy to conclude that verse 3 is also referring to the Rapture.  Verse 3 says, "...then SUDDEN DESTRUCTION cometh upon THEM...and THEY SHALL NOT ESCAPE."  

The next few verses go on to tell us that the children of light, those who are not spiritually asleep, those who are WATCHING, will ESCAPE THE SUDDEN DESTRUCTION.  These verses tell us emphatically that THE RAPTURE IS AN ESCAPE FROM THE SUDDEN DESTRUCTION!!!  The two main themes of these verses, THE RAPTURE AND SUDDEN DESTRUCTION ARE INSEPARABLE.  They are woven together.  They are one and the same event.  

Luke 21: 34-35 says, "...and so THAT DAY come upon you unawares.  For AS A SNARE, shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of THE WHOLE EARTH."  A SNARE is a TRAP.  There is no ESCAPING (outside of the Rapture), the TRAP that is being set for the WHOLE EARTH. Nuclear warfare, and the aftermath, will have devastating effects on the WHOLE EARTH.  Most of the judgments in the Book of Revelation can be directly attributed to the effects of nuclear war, and the aftermath. 

But the GREAT NEWS is that there IS A WAY OF ESCAPE!!!  THE RAPTURE IS OUR ESCAPE!!!  The very next verse in Luke 21:36 says, "WATCH ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be ACCOUNTED WORTHY TO ESCAPE ALL these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man (Jesus)."  Do not let anyone rob you of your blessed hope.  I have received some emails recently, trying to rob me of my blessed hope, the Rapture.  This verse says TO ESCAPE ALL, not some.  

Now that we have entered the 70th Week of Daniel, the judgments in the Book of Revelation have to begin SOON.  But, as of yet, they have not started.  I am convinced that they will start with the SUDDEN DESTRUCTION/RAPTURE!!!  As I am writing this, it looks like the beginning of WAR IN THE MIDDLE EAST!  When the first nuclear bombs hit, I believe we will be experiencing our SIMULTANEOUS ESCAPE, IN THE RAPTURE, JUST LIKE THESE SCRIPTURES PROMISE US!!!  ARE YOU READY TO STAND BEFORE THE SON OF MAN (JESUS)???  

In Luke 17:26-27 and Matthew 24:37-39, in the days of Noah, it was business as usual until, "the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all."  "And as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man (Jesus)."  Noah is being referenced in these verses as a type of the Rapture, our ESCAPE FROM THE SUDDEN DESTRUCTION.

The next 3 verses, in Luke 17:28-30, it says, "Likewise, also, as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But THE SAME DAY that Lot went out of Sodom, it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and DESTROYED them all.  Even thus shall it be in THE DAY when the Son of man (Jesus) is revealed."  How much clearer can our Lord make it for us?  THE RAPTURE AND SUDDEN DESTRUCTION WILL BE THE SAME DAY!!!  

This is why I take my calling as a watchman so seriously.  We can rejoice in escaping in the Rapture, but millions upon millions will not have a 2nd chance.  They will be destroyed in the Sudden Destruction.  We must warn people now that this Sudden Destruction may very well be upon us in the VERY NEAR future. I consider most everyone who reads Five Doves on a regular or semi-regular basis to be a WATCHMAN.

Ezekiel 33:2-6 says, "When I bring a sword upon a land, if the people...set him for their WATCHMAN...If when he seeth the sword come upon the land, he blow the trumpet, and warn the people; Then whosoever heareth the sound of the trumpet, and taketh not warning; if the sword come, and take him away, his blood shall be upon his own head.  He heard the sound of the trumpet, and took not warning; his blood shall be upon him.  But he that taketh warning shall deliver his soul.  But if the WATCHMAN SEE THE SWORD COME, AND BLOW NOT THE TRUMPET, AND THE PEOPLE BE NOT WARNED; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the WATCHMAN'S hand."

The current events of the Middle East could quite rapidly escalate into a MAJOR WAR.  Pakistan and India, two nuclear powers, even today as I am writing this, haved moved closer to WAR.  North Korea and China remain prominent countries with nuclear weapons.  Russia's expansionist views are escalating rapidly.  Nuclear suitcase bombs likely have been planted in several major U.S. cities, ready to be ignited at the proper signal by Al Quieda. Will our enemies try to simultaneously take out our country and Israel at the same time?  Will the Israel--Iran nuclear crisis be the impetus for World War III and the Sudden Destruction/Rapture?

Whatever the SUDDEN DESTRUCTION of the Bible is, it cannot be far away.  It will be devastating!  It will be horrendous!  It will be cataclysmic!  Praise God that He has provided a way of escape thru the Rapture of the Church!  But how concerned are YOU about your unsaved relatives, friends, and co-workers?  How concerned are YOU about your lukewarm, backslidden, compromising, and worldly Christians relatives, friends, and co-workers?  I pray that the Lord would give us ALL a burden for people everywhere.

Maranatha!
 

Ron Reese
rgreese49@aol.com