John B (25 Jan 2012)
"Re: Bruce Warner...... The word "then" is found here....directly or indirectly"


 
Bruce,
 
Thanks for alerting me that my scripture interpretation could have been in error. I didn't read your post in time or I would have copied you along with Jovial in my reply on this issue. Rather than re-explaining again, please read the response I wrote to Jovial. I hope this clears up the muddy water.
 
Blessings.......John B
 
P.S.--In my opinion there are way to many scripture interpretations out there that have been the "accepted norm" explained or dictated to we sheep by whomever (the other side)..... ..that are in error. Just like the topic we are now discussing.
 
 
 
 
Jovial,
 
In response to your post yesterday  http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/jan2012/jovial124-1.htm     I was using the New King James version that very clearly uses the word "Then" when starting the sixth verse of Rev. 13.  As you pointed out there are multiple translations of the bible that at times can infer multiple interpretations of the same text but that's not really the case here and I stand firmly on my statement that the reign of the antichrist will be more that 42 months.
 
I didn't just insert the word "then" as you seem to imply by saying that you could not find the word "then" in any of the multiple translations. I take very seriously the warning God gives in Rev.22 when He states (concerning this holy book) that....."If anyone adds to these things (words), God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things that are written in this book." 
 
From the other versions that you quoted you seem to think that the word "and" was the appropriate word not "then". Here's the text you used......
 
"5And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.  6And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God" (KJV, with YLT, ASV, NASB and Amplified ansl ousing "And...And..." structure)
 
So lets focus on your word "and" instead of "then" to see if it changes the meaning of the text.
 
My Webster's New World College Dictionary states that two of the definitions of the word "and" is then. It also states that when you use the word "and" at the start of a sentence (as is the case here) then the correct translation or meaning is then.
 
So the correct translation according to Webster using your text from above would be.....And (then) he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God........
 
Another meaning for "and" is ....in addition.
 
So it doesn't matter Jovial if we use your word and or my word then we still have the same meaning of the text. It means that there is an addition or a continuation of the forty two months as I stated in my post, meaning that the reign of the antichrist is not limited to 42 months.
 
And as I stated in my prior post.....
 
 
When this first beast the antichrist arrives on the world stage right after the rapture of the church he is going to be a well spoken, well know, well respected figure who will have all the answers as to what happened to the millions of people who have just disappeared. He will seem to have all the solutions to the worlds immediate needs. He will covertly formulate the alliances that are already in place with his Gog system that is already established within the governments and key players around the world. (we do not fight against flesh and blood.....) He will act in concert with 10 leaders who were not leaders previously and break the world up into 10 areas for them to control. He will have control of the media (he already does) and a head cheerleader..... the false prophet, they will praise his every move. He will schmooze the whole world like the pied piper, all the time scheming behind the scenes orchestrating and then accomplishing complete control. This will take him 42 months.
 
Then, (as per verse 6) after these 42 months the mask comes off so to speak. He will have consolidated his Gog power structure around the planet. At this point he will declare himself to be god, blaspheming the true God, blaspheming God's holy name and those who dwell in heaven. He will then display the extreme demon that he is killing millions of people who will not take his mark or worship the statue of him that speaks.
 
So how long is his reign? I don't know, but I do know that the 42 months is just a warm up for the main event. This is very clear to me in Rev.13:5-7.
 
 
 
And for more of my beliefs concerning this topic, here's a prior post to Kari..........
 
 
 
 
Kari,
 
To answer your question from above........ John the Revelator with a vision from God makes it very clear in Rev.13 and 17 that the first beast from the sea is the one we call the antichrist. And from my letter to you above I described why I believe this beast to be the risen sixth pope of the popes since 1929 when the popes actually became kings. But keep in mind that it will not actually be this sixth pope but his image indwelled by a demonic being. It will actually be the ruler of the bottomless pit a spirit being called Apollo or Apollyon. When he takes over the reigns of the RCC as the eighth pope (the next pope) immediately after the rapture he will already have a world wide religious system and political system in place. And with his extraordinary oratory skills and ability to do miracles he will easily win over the left behind people....... and as the bible says he will completely and utterly deceive them with his bag of demonic tricks.
 
Everyone realizes that the RCC is a complex worldwide religious system consisting of 2 billion people but what most people don't realize is that the RCC also has a political wing and an intelligence community that major governments such as the U.S. and Russia are envious of.  Their political and intelligence wing headed by the Jesuits have their tentacles into literally everything worldwide and are not voted out of office every few years as other governments are. Remember from Ephesians that we do not fight against flesh and blood but we fight against a demonic Gog system that has it's tentacles inserted in all the governments of the world at the present time. So it should be no mental hurdle to see how this spirit beast disguised as the next pope will be able to control the planet after we are gone. This Jesuit system already has the world broken up into ten areas as the bible has foretold. And as the bible states in Rev.17:12 there will arise ten kings or leaders who do not have a kingdom but will be given one by the antichrist to rule with him. My bet is that ten of these Jesuits will be given power by the antichrist to rule the world with him .....a world that has been broken up into ten areas. All the nations of the world are presently monetarily broke. Not so for the RCC who is beyond rich and if it needs more will petition it's flock of lost sheep for all the resources it needs to pull off the great end time demonic deception.
 
You asked me who I thought would be the false prophet? From what God tells us about this second beast in Rev. 13 we know that he also will have great oratory skills. He will be the chief cheerleader and promoter of the first beast. He will be able to do great miraculous things but only if he is in the presence of the first beast which is a dead giveaway that it's really the first beast who has the power. It's this second beast who requires everyone to take the mark of the first beast on their hand or forehead in order to buy or sell. The second beast is granted power by the first beast or Satan to breath life into a statue of the first beast causing it to speak. Anyone who would not then worship this talking statue would be put to death........kind of like back in the Middle Ages when the RCC murdered millions of true Christians and Jews who would not kneel to the authority of the pope and the papal states of that time frame.
 
The second beast who we call the false prophet is described as having two horns as a lamb and that this beast comes from the earth. That being said I believe that this second beast will be the Islamic savior the Mahdi, the Twelfth Imam, the prophet that all the Muslims are waiting for. This Mahdi that they are waiting for is supposed to be a boy who fell down a well into the "earth" in the ninth century. Notice the phrase God uses "having two horns as a lamb".....God could have said two horns as a ram but instead He chose lamb that to me denotes someone younger not a man but a boy. And the two horns to me represent the two branches of Islam....Shiite and Sunni. So a boy (lamb) who will become the Mahdi or twelfth imam is expected to come from the earth (well) to be the Islamic savior for the two branches of Islam (two horns).
 
Satan knows his gig is almost up and that this is his last chance in this era to deceive the world and take as many souls to hell with him as possible. He is pulling out all the stops in this great deception. He will form an alliance with the two largest religious organizations on the planet.....Roman Catholics (2 billion), Islam (2 billion). The next pope the eighth who was also the sixth....(was, and is not, yet is) since the Vatican became it's own country in 1929 will be what the bible calls the first beast that comes from the sea....The Holy See.
He will be joined by a second beast, the false prophet, that comes from the earth who I believe will be the Islamic savior prophet, the Mahdi, the Twelfth Imam.
 
For those of you who haven't been paying attention to the present day workings of the RCC, you need to know that the RCC has also pulled out all the stops and are in the process of making multiple alliances with Islam. To keep up to speed on these developments I recommend the web site below. Check out all the links on the right side of the page concerning the RCC and this topic. If one never realized how evil this church really is, these links and articles will convince you and horrify you.  But only if you know what the bible teaches and not what the RCC teaches.
 
The common thread that the two religions have that the RCC is actively pushing is Mary, the mother of Jesus. But the Muslims are not attentive to the true Mary but to the counterfeit Mary. This Mary, the RCC has literally created over the centuries and have raised to a level equal to God himself with titles as....... the Queen of Heaven, sinless, omnipotent, mediator between God and man (Jesus' role) and multiple other blasphemous titles dreamt up by the RCC.  Rev.17:3...."I saw a woman (false RCC Mary) sitting on a scarlet beast which was full of names of blasphemy"
 
As I said before Satan is going to pull out all the stops to deceive as many souls as he can.  So you can also expect this false Mary to show up on scene displaying her bag of demonic tricks as she has been doing around our planet for centuries. This false Mary and the blood crying statues of her, the hundreds of demonic apparitions of her around the planet have been setting the stage for a major part of this end time deception.  Besides the antichrist and the false prophet you can expect this false Mary to be playing a huge role in Satan's end time plan.
 
Hope this answers your questions Kari.......
Blessings.......John B