Gerlinda (23 Jan 2012)
"Rowina - geneology"


Hi Rowina,  I found your geneology story very interesting.   I believe this subject is just as important as the many others that are featured on Five Doves.  You asked about whether it is paternal or maternal that is the guide of one's geneology.  According to  J.R. Church, it is paternal. 

I have a brother-in-law who told my husband that my boys from a prior marriage that  he adopted were not his because they did not carry his blood.  My husband got very angry with his brother over that remark.  It is then I put a short article together for him which I will share here.

Without Joseph, the adoptive father of Jesus, Jesus would not have been able to legally claim who He was, a descendant of King David and of Abraham.  So important was it to establish the legality of Jesus and His claim to be the Messiah that Matthew lists the geneology of Jesus on the Father's side.  Without that legal claim, Jesus could not have fulfilled prophecy that said the Messia would be a descendant of Abraham (Gen. 12:3, 22:18, Gal. 3:16) and David (2 Sam. 7:12-19, Jer. 23:5)

God knew that the Jews, the hard-heads that they were, would need proof of that claim according to the Jewish law, therefore He provided a father who, not only had those credtials but who was also willing to be a loving parent to Mary's first born.

In the Gospel of Luke, the genealogy is listed differently.  There all the men on Mary's side, which go back to King David and Abraham are listed.  This listing gives the bloodline of priest from Levi.  Now Jesus, undeniably, could fulfill that He was both King and Priest.



Now, Rowina and others that may be interested, ihere s the article that J. R. Church wrote.  I'd also like to add that when Solomon fell into paganism, the kingly line did not transfer to his sons but passed down through King David's other son Nathan whom stayed true to God.  This is how important geneology is to the Lord.   After all, His Only Begotten Son would come from that Chosen Blood-line.   Spiritually we are all children of our Heavenly Father, Jehvoah but physically some of us don't have any idea such as me....who am I?  Who is my earthly father; besides being an Israelite?  Again, I enjoyed your research.  gerlinda


                                                The Hebrew word for generation is Toledat

In Gen. 2:4, the Yod, which means the right hand of God and is a divine letter, is included in the word Toledat. However, in Gen. 5:1 and other listings of the genealogy thereafter, the Yod is removed. Why? Is there an inconsistency in the Bible? Once again, the Word of God is true.

In the Book of Ruth, chapter 4, verse 18 through 22 where the genealogy is mentioned, it was noticed that when it says, Jesse begat David, the Yod is once again placed back in the word for generation. This is so profound when you connect the meaning to this find.

Jesus is from the lineage of King David. The divine letter was once again returned to the world Toledat.

When the genealogy became corrupt, God removed the divine connection but when David was born, God put it back. That is the reason Jesus is also called, "The Son of David".

Northing is trivial in the Bible and because of men who search out these hidden truths, we realize how awesome God's Word really is.

Rowina (20 Jan 2012)
"descent from House of David"

One of these names, Pollok, is my grandmother's name. There are various spellings of Pollock, and various stories about how the name originated.
The family Pollok is said to have taken the name in the 12th century when they were given lands in Scotland by King David I of Scotland, along with other
Anglo-Breton refugees from a succession war in England. Clan Pollock website says that they took the name after the name of the location where they
settled. I think a possible explanation is that they took this name from a combination of the French which they spoke and the local name for lakes. Thus:
"peu" (small) de Lachs (lakes in Gaelic).

And then there is the frequent claim that the modern Scottish name Pollock and the Jewish name Pollak have different roots.

I put this snippet of information forward to show that names are deceptive, and one cannot be entirely sure where they came from.

But other details of the history of the Polloks makes me think they easily could have been of partial Jewish descent. Was this descent maternal or paternal or both?
In any case, very mixed. They were not wholly Jewish even if they were partly Jewish. Which "counts" in determining descent from David, the maternal or the paternal line? In Bible times, it would have been the paternal line, but would it be the maternal line today, which is the usual descent counter among modern rabbis?

The founder of the Pollok line in Scotland, Peter, sometimes signed his name on documents as "Peres", which is not only a Jewish name from the Old Testament,
but it the name of one of Judah's twin sons by Tamar. I have found documents showing that this name "Peres" or "Perez" was repeated in generations of the family living in Renfrewshire and Lanarkshire. Usually the people in question were "sheriffs", so there were documents preserved about their activities, and in the early,
wealthier years they gave land to various priories and abbeys in the area, and the donation records listed their names. I recently saw a study online by a Scottish
Ph.D. discussing the INTENSELY VARIED racial and cultural backgrounds of the people who lived in early medieval Scotland, particularly in the midland and borders regions. Bingo! Corroborates what I've seen elsewhere and put together myself as a thesis. There is lots more where that came from.

Well, Doves, this may be of little interest to you considering the momentous times and struggles we face, to discern who has a tiny bit of King David inhabiting his or her genes. I just wanted to say that this IS interesting, very interesting to me when I try to figure out why I am the way I am, but it is as nothing in our consideration of our salvation. Being a child of God is THE important thing, not whether any of us are descended from David or from other Jews of his period.

But I am grateful for the list of modern Jewish people's names who are descended from David. Thanks!

Mariel (I just found out from the Scottish Ph.D. that my "aunt" in the early middle ages actually spelled her name Muriel rather than Mauricle, as most weblinks have it. Pretty close to my Mariel. The proof is the documents collected by the Ph.D. referencing donations by the Pollok, with Muriel Pollok being a donor, as she
was the heir of Peter (Peres) de Pollok.