Enoch describes the return from heaven with Jesus as
the Lord coming with "ten thousands" of his saints.
14. And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam,
prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh
with ten thousands of his saints,
15. To execute judgment upon all, and to
convince all that are ungodly among them of all their
ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of
all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have
spoken against him.
Whatever way you look at that it doesn't really
conjure a huge number to me at least (such as the
multitude that no man could number that come out of the
great tribulation). Enoch or at least certainly the Holy
Spirit knows the difference between ten thousands and
say two hundred million (two hundred thousand thousand)
as in the case of the great army in Revelation which
suggests that this number ten thousands was chosen with
How big a number does that phrase (ten thousands)
suggest and where would the cutoff be in numbers before
you could no longer use that phrase to accurately
describe it that way? Once you get passed multiples
of ten thousands and then hundreds of thousands and then
move into the millions there should be a newer more
definitive way to describe that larger group as say
hundreds of thousands etc if you are in fact dealing
with that many. To leave it at ten thousands sounds like
a rather small number compared to the way we usually
hear suggestions of millions of people being raptured
Are Enoch and Jude suggesting by this description
that the numbers coming back with Jesus are relatively
small. I've always assumed that we all would be
coming back with Jesus at this point could
it be that not every saved or raptured person will
be called to fight in this battle? If so then this
number would not be an issue but I thought of
this number when I saw Paul Wilson and John B's posts
about how many might be raptured. What about the the
verse of Revelation 5:11 and how this is described?
11. And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many
angels round about the throne and the beasts and the
elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times
ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;
It may not be intended to give any idea as to actual
numbers at all but just mean a lot. I believe as many as
want to come in there is room for but there is the
warning that many will seek to enter and will not be
able, why is that?
23. Then said one unto him, Lord, are
there few that be saved? And he said unto them,
24. Strive to enter in at the strait gate:
for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and
shall not be able.
25. When once the master of the house is
risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to
stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord,
Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto
you, I know you not whence ye are:
26. Then shall ye begin to say, We have
eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in
27. But he shall say, I tell you, I know you
not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of
28. There shall be weeping and gnashing of
teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob,
and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you
yourselves thrust out.
29. And they shall come from the east, and
from the west, and from the north, and from the south,
and shall sit down in the kingdom of God.
30. And, behold, there are last which shall
be first, and there are first which shall be last.
I definitely want to be in that number that gets in!