Barry Amundsen (20 Jan 2012)
"Randy and Josua, Knowledge is added to virtue which is added to faith; faith alone?"


You describe the same thing that happened to me that upon surrendering my life to God; I began to learn the bible like never before. Although growing up going to church I was not able to learn until I gave my whole life to God and then my appetite for God and knowledge of Him and His word was so great and I was like a sponge for His word and understanding and wisdom.

It was only later that I discovered this scripture that describes this and the reason for it:

2 Peter 1:

5.  And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;

Peter lists things that must be added to faith in the correct order so as to ensure that we have success in our Christian walk (and ultimately access to the everlasting kingdom of Jesus). You and I did the first of these steps (virtue added to our faith) and the second (knowledge) followed immediately even though we had not known of this scripture yet (at least I did not) sort of like looking at a roadmap only after finding your way and then seeing that the map told it all along.

When we decided to put God first and sacrificed our own way, our dreams and plans and future to the will of God for our lives, THAT was adding to our faith virtue. Prior to this we may have been ever learning (I sure was, having gone to church and bible studies my whole life) but were never able to come to a knowledge of the truth. Because Peter does not say Add to your faith knowledge! No, it is very deliberate that he says add to your faith VIRTUE and then to your virtue add knowledge. Virtue must come first and be added to faith (it takes faith to do the virtue but faith does not need to be added to anything because it is a gift from God as God gives to every man the measure of faith). When we act on the faith and DO whatever God asks of us, that is adding to our faith virtue. Once this has been done, then knowledge can be added to the virtue and on to the rest of the list.

There will always be those Christians who stop right at faith and don’t even know that there is anything to go on to. Like that post by Randy:


Randy (19 Jan 2012)
"OUR Salvation - The DEFINITIVE Sermon, by Chuck Swindol - I will NEVER wonder about this again."

There has been MUCH discussion on Five Doves over the years regarding:

1) Once saved always saved (OSAS) and

2) Saved by Grace.....PLUS????...... something WE STILL NEED TO DO to prove ourselves... ?? Really?

This show from Chuck says: is saved by Grace ALONE.

And I agree..

If I can't trust Chuck Swindol's interpretation of the Bible....... then WHO can I trust??


I Would answer that you can trust the Holy Spirit and not any man. Jesus said to the multitudes that were following him that if they would not put him first ahead of son, daughter, father, mother, sister, brother, wife, yes and your own life also, they cannot be his disciple. That means we can still follow him but we won’t be able to learn from him.

James also spoke of this when he said that faith that does not move us to action is dead BEING ALONE! Add to your faith virtue. James used the analogy that it was the same as saying to a homeless man “Be warmed and be filled” but you don’t actually give him a blanket or food. Does that speech do any good at all? Of course not. Likewise, James says that many will say they have faith but they do not act on it. If you believe that Jesus is good then you will surrender your life to him. If you will not surrender your life to him then what are you really saying by that? That he is not good or trustworthy with your life?

I learned that the word translated “belief” or “faith” in the Greek is “pistis” and the verb form “pisteo” and there is no English equivalent for the verb form so you have to make one up: “To faithe”. It was not mere mental ascent to the fact of Christ being the savior, for as we all know demons will believe that way and tremble, but that certainly does not save them. You didn’t have New Testament faith until action was involved. For example many of the Pharisees “believed” on Jesus but they were not willing to lose their place in the Synagogue and so they would not “confess” him. That is they would not act on their belief and the bible is very clear that they were NOT saved. Faith in that sense is not enough, sorry Randy you and Chuck Swindol might want to read Peter and James again. I think that there are Christians today living by that sort of faith that does not add the virtue and subsequently none of the rest of Peter’s essential list can therefore be added either. Peter says that he that lacks these things is blind. Jesus also speaks to those in the church who need eye salve that they may see and not be blind.

Please Randy, look up this passage in 2 Peter 1 (I’ll go ahead and put it below) and see how Chuck Swindol’s message fits with it and if there is a contradiction (as I was accused by Pastor FM Riley on this subject of quoting scriptures that contradict other scriptures) then it is only a belief system that the scriptures contradict and I believe that when this occurs it is that belief system that must give way and not the scripture.

2 Peter 1


 1.  Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

 2.  Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,

 3.  According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

 4.  Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

 5.  And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;

 6.  And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;

 7.  And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.

 8.  For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

 9.  But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.

 10.  Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

 11.  For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

 12.  Wherefore I will not be negligent to put you always in remembrance of these things, though ye know them, and be established in the present truth.

 13.  Yea, I think it meet, as long as I am in this tabernacle, to stir you up by putting you in remembrance;

 14.  Knowing that shortly I must put off this my tabernacle, even as our Lord Jesus Christ hath shewed me.

 15.  Moreover I will endeavour that ye may be able after my decease to have these things always in remembrance.

Why did Peter list these things and say they are necessary for an entrance into the kingdom if all that is needed is faith and grace alone and no action on our part? Who is right Peter or Chuck Swindol? One of them is wrong they cannot both be right.