I am by not, by any stretch of the imagination an expert, even as a layperson, I am just starting to learn about End Times events and sequences. But I wonder, when you said:

"I can not see the first four seals happening and killing one fourth of the people on the earth and the church going through it and not calling this the wrath of God."

Haven't we, as humankind, seen massive death of humans throughout history that was not 'the wrath of God', but rather the result of the fact that we live in a fallen world?

I don't know the numbers, but, what would the world population have been during the years of the 'Black Death' in Europe have been? That was not the 'wrath of God', but it was a very large portion of people dying off.

Throughout history, we've had the murder/slaughter of huge numbers of people at the hands of dictators, mad men and disease. Today, we kill our own via abortion to the tune of nearly 4000 per day in America alone! Add those numbers to other disease, accident, wars and natural disasters. I wonder how it works out percentage-wise. How many people would have to die before it was considered God's "Wrath" as opposed to "God's hand of protection being removed"?

I am a simple person, I can see that 'bad things happen to good people' and not see 'God's Wrath', but just the fact that we live in a fallen world. I have always held the belief that we will experience 'tribulation'...it's happening right now, every day. Some Christian mother somewhere has just learned her child had cancer...that is not God's Wrath. A bus load of kids on the way to Church Camp gets wiped out by a drunk driver...someone dies from second hand smoke induced lung disease...a village gets washed away by a tsunami, including the innocent babies. No, I think when God's Wrath shows up, it is not like a child falling and skinning their knee...but Daddy showing up with a switch to punish a disobedient child.

I don't know exactly where the 'Rapture' falls in the series of events, but I KNOW that the Church will be outta here before the 'punishments' commence. We can be here and live through the results of the world turning their back on the Lord, that is just the result in living in a space surrounded by those who've denied God. Being in a building that a God-hating person bombs is not a punishment from God on that innocent person...it is the result of a disobedient person exercising Free Will.

When the Wrath of God comes down on the world, He will make sure all his Children are out of harm's way. It will be undeniable that HE is the one putting the 'smack down' (as my kid would say) on those who have rejected Him.

So, I think it may be possible for the world to lose 1/4 it's population by it's own design, and that still not be the active 'wrath' of God. Especially considering that there are active plans by the richest of the rich to lower the population themselves.

Just my opinion.

Blessings~

Suzi