Robert Belanger (6 Jan 2011)
"Re: Laurie Hane"

Laurie and others interested in soul salvation,
I agree completely with your exposition on spiritual salvation being a permanent thing not subject to loss  versus works after spiritual salvation that are needed to qualify for rewards, or crowns, and for being a part of the Bride of Christ and participating in the wedding inside of the kingdom. The guests at the wedding are as you state at heaven, but not inside where the action is taking place.
Good job, Laurie, in my humble opinion but do not expect anyone to change their views on this because many persons hold strong views on this topic and are resistant to logical comments even though based on Holy Scripture as your arguments are indeed.
Having been once a member of the Roman Catholic Church before converting to Protestantism and knowing about Purgatory I naturally wondered how the doctrine of works for soul salvation would relate to the concept of Purgatory where salvation can be obtained by works of others in our behalf (more on that below).
I have therefore been interested in understanding this subject of works for a number of years and had to change my previous view that salvation of the spirit was all that was needed to enter heaven and rule and reign with Christ.
Anyone like myself sincerely interested in this topic can read the writings of Lyn Mize at and can download a free book on the subject by James T. Harman called The Kingdom at
A fine book that is excellent on this subject is Shock and Surprise After the Rapture by Gary T. Whipple which is a very thorough and complete exposition on this subject and can be found reviewed on the Internet at
This book by Whipple has a glossary of selected terms at the back of the book. Two definitions are as follows:
"Salvation of the Body: The raising of the body at the rapture of the church.
"Salvation of the Soul: A salvation that operates in the present continuous tense ( Gr. not yet completed) and ends at the Judgment Seat of Christ. This salvation should be presently working to save the life (soul) of a believer by producing spiritual fruit in his life, so that he may enter the kingdom of heaven and rule and reign with Christ.
"Salvation of the Spirit: A salvation that is a work completed in the past, with its finished results extending into the present time (Gr. present tense). This is the salvation that guarantees eternal life to all who trust Jesus Christ as saviour."
There are three direct statements in the New Testament that refer to the salvation of the soul. The first 1) shows us how to save our soul, the second 2) where the soul is saved and the last 3) the consequences of not having the soul saved.
1) KJV: James 1:21 "Wherefore, lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls."
2) KJV: 1 Peter 1:7-9 "That the trial of your faith being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honor and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ: (8) Whom having not seen, ye love, in whom, though now you see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory; (9) receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your soul.
3) KJV: Hebrews 10:38,39 "Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. (39) But we are not of them who draw back into perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul."
This book by Whipple answers many questions too which I cannot get into in depth here. The reader may ask doesn't Romans 8:1 say there is no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus? (The answer is yes if we allow sins to be unconfessed and have power over our lives).
Or he may ask if II Corinthians says absent from the body is present with the Lord where does outer darkness fit into the picture? (The answer is that this verse applies to before the Judgment Seat of Christ where we labor now to be accepted there).
Or, isn't this business about works another version of purgatory from the Roman Catholic Church? (The answer is no since Satan creates such deceptions to confuse believers. Purgatory is a counterfeit doctrine relating to works needed for salvation of the soul and has used it to mislead believers especially as you say in the Roman Catholic Church).
I hope and pray that anyone still on the fence regarding this subject will be encouraged to read more about it in the sources provided and will pray that the Holy Spirit will cast a light of understanding in their minds on this extremely important topic. The book I recommend is by Whipple. Later the web site by Mize would provide some new insights and the book by Harman provides details about the nature of the kingdom of heaven itself and how the salvation of the soul is relevant in that environment.
Of course, there is always the possibility that this topic may lead to contention and serious disagreement among believers. Therefore, Mr. John Tng is well aware that he may want to limit the life of this thread in that event. It is always good, however, to bring the topic up for review as new members arrive on this web site and as others want to review where they stand now in regard to the topic.
May God bless everyone who has read this message and is open to knowing the complete truth regarding the need for works after salvation of the spirit obtained at the second birth based on faith and faith alone in Jesus Christ, our Lord and Saviour.
Yours in Christ,