Marshall (19 Jan 2011)
"Re: Paul Wilson "on Glenn Beck" 13 Jan 2011"


 

The mere fact that Glenn Beck even mentions Mormonism is proselytizing in the sense that hundreds of thousands or more if not millions, if not true knowledgeable Christians will open their minds into that cult just because Glenn Beck mentions the Mormon church.

 

The Mormons are not Christian no matter how much they mention Jesus.  The do not believe that Jesus is God, therefore, they cannot be considered remotely Christian.

 

http://www.4shared.com/document/a2Fb_0Op/Walter_Martin_-_Kingdom_of_the.html

 

 

I agree Glenn Beck is a patriot.  He is certainly present truth about the history of this country and the issues we have today and putting them into perspective with history.  

 

Glenn Beck could possibly be saved, however, the evidence is strongly against that if he is well schooled in Mormon doctrine.  If so, then he does not know that there is no other name by which a man can be saved but the name of Jesus because He does not believe that Jesus is God.  The Mormons ultimately deny the deity of Christ.  They call him the savior.  That is a tactic to lure unsuspecting Christians into their church and they are good at it.

 

14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.

 

Here is an excerpt, hope it helps all here and hope you sound the trumpet on this cult:

 

The Mormon Savior

The record of the Bible concerning the Savior of the world, the Lord Jesus Christ, is well known to

students of the Scriptures. In Christian theology, there is but one God (Deuteronomy 6:4; 1 Corinthians

8:4–6), and Jesus Christ is His eternal Word made flesh (John 1:1; 1:14). It was the function of the

second person of the Trinity, upon His reception by the sons of men, to empower them to be the sons of

God (John 1:12); and this the Scripture teaches came about as a result of God’s unmerited favor and His

great love toward a lost race.

The Lord Jesus offered one eternal sacrifice for all sins, and His salvation comes not by the works

of the law or any human works whatever (Galatians 2:16; Ephesians 2:9), but solely by grace through

faith (Ephesians 2:8). The Savior of the New Testament revelation existed eternally as God; lived a

holy, harmless, and undefiled life, separate from sinners; and “knew no sin.” He was “a man of sorrows,

and acquainted with grief” (Isaiah 53:3), “the Lamb of God which taketh away the sin of the world”

(John 1:29).

The Savior of Mormonism, however, is an entirely different person, as their official publications

clearly reveal. The Mormon “Savior” is not the second person of the Christian Trinity, since, as we

have previously seen, Mormons reject the Christian doctrine of the Trinity, and he is not even a careful

replica of the New Testament Redeemer. In Mormon theology, Christ as a preexistent spirit was not

only the spirit brother of the devil (as alluded to in the Pearl of Great Price, Moses 4:1–4 and later

reaffirmed by Brigham Young in the Journal of Discourses, 13:282), but celebrated his own marriage

to “Mary and Martha, and the other Mary,” at Cana of Galilee, “whereby he could see his seed, before

he was crucified” (Apostle Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, 4:259; 2:82). As we have seen

previously, the Mormon concept of the Virgin Birth, alone, distinguishes their “Christ” from the Christ

of the Bible.

In addition to this revolting concept, Brigham Young categorically stated that the sacrifice made

upon the cross by Jesus Christ in the form of His own blood was ineffective for the cleansing of some

sins. Brigham went on to teach the now suppressed but never officially repudiated doctrine of “blood

atonement.”

To better understand Young’s limitation of the cleansing power of Christ’s blood, we shall refer to

his own words:

Suppose you found your brother in bed with your wife, and you put a javelin through

both of them, you would be justified, and they would atone for their sins, and be

received into the kingdom of God. I would at once do so in such a case; and under such

circumstances, I have no wife whom I love so well that I would not put a javelin through

her heart, and I would do it with clean hands.

There is not a man or woman, who violates the covenants made with their God, that

will not be required to pay the debt. The blood of Christ will never wipe that out, your

own blood must atone for it; and the judgments of the Almighty will come, sooner or

later, and every man and woman will have to atone for breaking their covenants. … All

mankind love themselves, and let these principles be known by an individual, and he

would be glad to have his blood shed. … I could refer you to plenty of instances where

men have been righteously slain, in order to atone for their sins. … This is loving our

neighbor as ourselves; if he needs help, help him; and if he wants salvation and it is

necessary to spill his blood on the earth in order that he may be saved, spill it” (Journal

of Discourses, 3:247; 4:219–220).

So clear-cut was Brigham’s denial of the all-sufficiency and efficiency of the atoning sacrifice of

Christ in the foregoing quotation that Mormons have had to develop an argument “to explain” what the

prophet really meant. It is their contention that a criminal is “executed to atone for his crimes and this is

all Brigham Young meant.”

However, they completely omit any discussion of the fact that Young’s statement is not dealing

with this subject at all. Young’s statement declared that what Christ’s blood could not cleanse, a man’s

own blood atonement could. This teaches that in some instances human sacrifice, which Brigham states

took place and which he sanctioned, were efficacious where Christ’s blood was not.

The Mormons want no part of the biblical doctrine of the all-sufficiency of Christ’s Atonement, in

the words of John: “The blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanses us from all unrighteousness” (1 John

1:7, emphasis added). This both contradicts Young and reveals the true biblical teaching.

There can be no doubt from the biblical record that it is in Jesus Christ that we have redemption and

that His blood is the means of the cleansing of the conscience (Hebrews 9:14) and of the loosening

from sin (Revelation 1:5). It is the very basis of our justification (Romans 5:9).

The Christ of the Mormons cannot save, for He is as the apostle Paul describes him, “another

Jesus,” the subject of “another gospel,” and the originator of a “different spirit,” whose forerunner (the

angelic messenger, Moroni) was anticipated by the apostle (Galatians 1:8–9), and who along with the

entire revelation is to be considered “anathema” or more literally from the Greek, “cursed” by God.

It may be difficult for some to grasp what is in fact an incredible concept, but Mormonism fits

perfectly into the descriptions given by the Word of God. The greatest of the apostles, in his second

letter to the Corinthian church, after mentioning a counterfeit Jesus, gospel, and spirit, goes on to state

that such occurrences should not come as a surprise to the Christian church.

“For such are false apostles, deceitful workmen, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ,

and it is not surprising, for Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. It is therefore no

great marvel if his servants also transform themselves as servants of righteousness whose end will be

according to their works” (2 Corinthians 11:13–15, from the Greek).

This is harsh language indeed, but it is the language of God’s choosing and it cannot be ignored by

anyone who takes seriously the revelations of Scripture and apostolic authority.

Mormonism, with its apostles, priesthood, temples, secret signs, symbols, handshakes, and

mysteries, quite literally masquerades as “the church of the restoration”; but at its heart, in its doctrine

of the Messiah, it is found to be contrary to every major biblical pronouncement.

 

Salvation by Grace?

It is common to find in Mormon literature the statement that “all men are saved by grace alone

without any act on their part.” Although this appears to be perfectly orthodox, it is necessary to study

all the Mormon statements relative to this doctrine in order to know precisely what they mean.

In one such official Mormon publication (What the Mormons Think of Christ, B. R. McConkie,

1973), the Mormons give their own interpretation:

Grace is simply the mercy, the love and the condescension God has for his children,

as a result of which he has ordained the plan of salvation so that they may have power to

progress and become like him. … All men are saved by grace alone without any act on

their part, meaning that they are resurrected and become immortal because of the atoning

sacrifice of Christ. … In addition to this redemption from death, all men, by the grace of

God, have the power to gain eternal life. This is called salvation by grace coupled with

obedience to the laws and ordinances of the gospel. Hence Nephi was led to write: “We

labor diligently to write, to persuade our children, and also our brethren, to believe in

Christ, and to be reconciled to God; for we know that it is by grace that we are saved

after all we can do.”

Christians speak often of the blood of Christ and its cleansing power. Much that is

believed and taught on this subject, however, is such utter nonsense and so palpably

false that to believe it is to lose one’s salvation. Many go so far, for instance, as to

pretend and, at least, to believe that if we confess Christ with our lips and avow that we

accept Him as our personal Saviour, we are thereby saved. His blood, without other act

than mere belief, they say, makes us clean. … Finally in our day, he has said plainly:

“My blood shall not cleanse them if they hear me not.” Salvation in the kingdom of God

is available because of the atoning blood of Christ. But it is received only on condition

of faith, repentance, baptism, and enduring to the end in keeping the commandments of

God (pp. 27–33, emphasis added).

The above quote is a typical example of what might be termed theological double-talk, which in one

breath affirms grace as a saving principle and in the next declares that it is “coupled with obedience to

the law and ordinances of the gospel,” and ends by declaring that confession of Christ and acceptance

of Him as “personal Savior” is “utter nonsense” and “palpably false.” McConkie decries the fact that

Christ’s blood “without other act than mere belief … makes us clean” (p. 31).

The biblical position is, however, quite clear in this area; we are saved by grace alone, as previously

mentioned, but it in no way enables us to “have power to progress and become like Him.” As we have

seen, in the Mormon sense such a progression refers to becoming a god, not to the Christian doctrine of

sanctification, or of the life of the believer being brought into conformity to the Holy Spirit as clearly

enunciated in the epistle to the Romans (chapters 8 and 12).

Mr. McConkie’s assertion—that “salvation by grace” must be “coupled with obedience with the

laws and ordinances of the gospel” in order for a person to be saved—introduces immediately the

whole Mormon collection of legalistic observances and requirements. In the end, salvation is not by

grace at all, but it is in reality connected with human efforts: “baptism, and enduring to the end in

keeping the commandments of God” (p. 33).

This is not the Christian doctrine of redemption that the apostle Peter described graphically when he

wrote:

Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver

and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; but with

the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot. … Being

born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which

liveth and abideth for ever (1 Peter 1:18–19, 23).

In diametric opposition to the Mormon concept, the confession of Christ with the lips and the

acceptance of Him as “our personal Savior” is indeed the very means of personal salvation. It is the

biblical record which states that “with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth

confession is made unto salvation” (Romans 10:10). The gospel’s command is “believe on the Lord

Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved” (Acts 16:31). This is, of course, totally foreign to what the

Mormons would have us believe. Jesus Christ did not die merely to insure our resurrection, as Mr.

McConkie declares (p. 27), but He died to reconcile us to God, to save us by grace, to redeem us by

blood, and to sanctify us by His Spirit. But such biblical doctrines the Mormons most decidedly reject.

It appears that they cannot conceive of a God who could save apart from human effort, and Nephi’s

statement betrays this: “For we know it is by grace that we are saved after all we can do” (p. 28).

In Mormonism, it is they who must strive for perfection, sanctification, and godhood. Grace is

merely incidental.

It was no less an authority than Brigham Young who taught concerning salvation:

“But as many as received Him, to them gave he power to continue to be the sons of God” (Journal

of Discourses, 12:100–101).

In Brigham’s theology, “instead of receiving the gospel to become the sons of God, my language

would be—to receive the gospel that we may continue to be the sons of God. Are we not all sons of

God when we are born into this world? Old Pharaoh, King of Egypt, was just as much a son of God as

Moses and Aaron were His sons, with this difference—he rejected the word of the Lord, the true light,

and they received it.”

In agreement with their doctrine of the preexistence of souls, the Mormons believe that they are

already the sons of God and that the acceptance of God merely enables them to “continue to be the sons

of God,” a direct contradiction of the biblical record which states:

“But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that

believe on his name” (John 1:12).

The apostle Paul points out, with devastating force, the fact that “they which are the children of the

flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed”

(Romans 9:8, emphasis added).

The apostle, with equal certainty, affirms that only those who are led by God’s Spirit can be called

the sons of God (Romans 8:14). It is difficult to see how in any sense of the term, “Old Pharaoh, King

of Egypt, was just as much a son of God as Moses and Aaron were His sons,” as Brigham Young

declared.

The biblical teaching is that “ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus” (Galatians 3:26,

emphasis added), a fact Brigham obviously overlooked.

It is one of the great truths of the Word of God that salvation is not of him that wills or of him that

strives, but of God who shows mercy (Romans 9:16), and that Jesus Christ has redeemed us from the

curse of the law, having become a curse for us (Galatians 3:13).

It was the teaching of our Lord that “all that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that

cometh to me I will in no wise cast out” (John 6:37), and the salvation which He still offers to lost men

is “not by any works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us”

(Titus 3:5)

In the Mormon religion, they boldly teach universal salvation, for as Mr. Evans, the Mormon

apostle and spokesman, put it: “Mormons believe in universal salvation that all men will be saved, but

each one in his own order” (Rosten, p. 136).

It is the teaching of the Scriptures, however, that not all men will be saved, and that at the end of the

ages some shall “go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal” (Matthew

25:46).

The somber warnings of the apostle John stand arrayed against the Mormon doctrine of universal

salvation:

And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to

make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. And the beast was

taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he

deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his

image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. … And the

devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and

the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. … And

whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. … But

the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and

sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with

fire and brimstone: which is the second death. … The same shall drink of the wine of the

wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and

he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in

the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and

ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and

whosoever receiveth the mark of his name (Revelation 19:19–20; 20:10, 15; 21:8; 14:10–

11).

By no conceivable stretch of the imagination is universal salvation to be found in these passages

where the Greek words in their strongest form indicate torment, judgment, and eternal fire that defies

human chemical analysis.

The Mormon doctrine of “celestial marriage” derived from their original concept of polygamy and

substituted for it in 1890, when they were forced to abandon this immoral conduct lest Utah not be

given statehood, is tied to their doctrine of salvation. The Mormons believe that the family unit will

endure unto the eternal ages, hence their insistence upon the sealing of Mormon men to many women,

and the sealing of their families. It was for this reason that there are many special rites and ceremonies

instituted in behalf of the dead (particularly relatives); hence, their practice of baptism for the dead and

laying on of hands (for the bestowing of the gift of the Holy Ghost), all by proxy.

 

Paul Wilson (13 Jan 2011)
"on Glenn Beck"


Please tell me where he has ON HIS SHOW proselytized for mormonism or denounced
traditional Christian beliefs?? I would NOT listen to him one bit for
theological advice but he knows his history he knows what is going on in
America and is sounding an alarm.  He is misguided but he is not trying to lead
us anywhere spiritually and if he does start then I agree we should stop
listening to him. As long as he is a patriot advocating the return to limited
government, the government of our founders, and NOT a mormon theocracy I say he
is worth listening to. ONE thing we can do is pray for him to see the truth.