From: Marilyn Agee
Re: John B (24 Jan 2011) "My Rapture Scenario"
> in Rev. 4&5. We see---- > 1) twenty four elders----whomever they are, certainly not the Raptured > saints
I think they are the 12 patriarchs and the 12 apostles of Israel, our Representatives before the throne of God (Jesus, both God and man). In Rev. 5:8, the "four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints." As our Representatives, they deliver our prayers.
THE THRONE OF JESUS, THE GOD/MAN
In Rev 3:21, Jesus said, "To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in MY THRONE, even as I also overcame, and AM SET DOWN WITH MY FATHER IN HIS THRONE."
In John 10:30, Jesus said, "I and my Father are one."
Eze 1:1 says, "the heavens were opened (he saw Mercury, Venus, Earth (1:15), Mars, Jupiter and Saturn), and I saw visions of God." He saw the throne of the God/man Jesus Christ.
Eze 1:26-28 says, "And above the firmament (expanse of space) that was over their heads (farther out in space than the 4 terrestrial planets) was the likeness of a THRONE, as the appearance of a SAPPHIRE stone (sapphire means dear to the planet Saturn, from the Sanskrit Sani, Saturn, and priya, dear): and upon the likeness of the THRONE was the likeness as the appearance of a man (Jesus, the God/man) above upon it. And I saw as the colour of amber (Saturn has amber on it), as the appearance of fire round about within it (it looks like a lighted lamp hung in the night sky), from the appearance of his loins (from the equator) even upward, and from the appearance of his loins (from the equator) even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about (Saturn's ring system). As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD."
Rev 4:1-6 says, "After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. And immediately I was (lit., became) in the spirit: and, behold, a THRONE was set in heaven, and one (i.e., the God/man Jesus Christ) sat on the throne. And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper (first stone in the breastplate) and a sardine stone (last stone in the breastplate, i.e., Jesus is the first and the last, Rev. 22:13): and there was a rainbow (Saturn's rings) round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald (Judah's stone, because this God/man is the Lion of the tribe of Judah). And round about the throne were four and twenty seats (thrones): and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold. And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God. And before the throne (Saturn) there was a SEA OF GLASS LIKE UNTO CRYSTAL" (Saturn's rings are made of ice crystals).
> 2) four living creatures----certainly not Raptured saints
Rev 4:7,8 says, "And the first beast was like a LION, and the second beast like a CALF, and the third beast had a face as a MAN, and the fourth beast was like a flying EAGLE. And the four beasts had each of them six wings (as have the Seraphim) about him; and they were full of eyes (full orbs, i.e., globes) within: and they rest not day and night (they orbit), saying, HOLY, HOLY, HOLY, LORD GOD ALMIGHTY, which was, and is, and is to come."
The LION, CALF (OX), MAN AND EAGLE were the faces on the flags set at the compass points around the Tabernacle. The LION represented Judah. His flag was set on the EAST. The CALF (OX) represented Ephraim. His flag was set on the WEST. The MAN represented Reuben. His flag was set on the SOUTH. The EAGLE represented Dan. His flag was set on the NORTH.
The Cherubim (4 terrestrial planets) face those same cardinal directions, N, E, S, W as they orbit. Eze. 10 says, "As for the likeness of their faces, they four had the face of a MAN, and the face of a LION, on the right side: and they four had the face of an OX on the left side; they four also had the face of an EAGLE.
We know the Cherubim are planets, because Earth is one of them. Eze 1:15 says, "Now as I beheld the living (lively, i.e., flying) creatures, behold one wheel (orbit) upon the EARTH by the living creatures, with his four faces."
Isa 6:1-3 also describes the Seraphim. 'In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a THRONE, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple. Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly. And one cried unto another, and said, HOLY, HOLY, HOLY, IS THE LORD OF HOSTS: the whole earth is full of his glory."
Job 38:7 is similar. It says, "When THE MORNING STARS SANG TOGETHER, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?"
Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn can be evening or morning stars when viewed from Earth.
I think the four Cherubim represent the terrestrial planets, Mercury, Venus, Earth and Mars, and four Seraphim represent Jupiter, Uranus, Neptune and Pluto.
Rev 5:6 says, "And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne (on Saturn) and of the four beasts (facing 4 directions as it orbits), and in the midst of the elders (12 patriarchs and 12 apostles), stood a Lamb (representing Jesus) as it had been slain, having seven horns (i.e., complete power, omnipotent) and seven eyes (all seeing), which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. "
3) Lion of the tribe of Judah, a Lamb----Jesus
4) Him who sat on the throne----God the Father
5) millions and millions of angels
> Nowhere do we see millions of Raptured saints. So we can assume that > Rapture hasn't happened yet.
Yes it has. Read on. It is evident in Rev. 5:8,9. Remember that there were no verse divisions in the original.
Rev. 5:8-10 says, "And when he (Jesus) had taken the book (i.e., the Title Deed of the Earth), the four beasts (representing four planets) and four and twenty elders (Representatives of the saints in heaven, the 12 patriarchs and the 12 apostles of one nation, ISRAEL) fell down before the Lamb (Christ), having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of SAINTS. And they (the saints from all around the world) sung a NEW SONG, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us (saints, redeemed out of all nations, not just out of Israel, like their Representatives) to God by thy blood OUT OF EVERY KINDRED, AND TONGUE, AND PEOPLE, AND NATION; And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on (epi, on or over) the earth."
> we see that (in the sixth seal) at the same time Jesus was taking His > Bride up in the Rapture, He was casting Satan and his angels (stars) to > the earth in a rapid fashion.
Satan and his angels are cast down to Earth Mid-Trib. The Church saints are in Heaven BEFORE Mid-Trib. They are caught up in the FIRST-Trump Rapture (I Thess. 4:16,17). Those caught up in the "LAST"-Trump Rapture (I Cor. 15:51-54) at the end of the Tribulation are the Tribulation saints. Among them are the 144,000 Israelites and a great multitude which no man can number seen in Rev. 7,4-14.
Of this great multitude caught up in the second Rapture, only the 144,000 Israelites can sing the NEW SONG like the wise-virgin saints do in Rev. 5:9.
Rev. 14:3-5 says, "And they sung as it were a NEW SONG before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits (wise virgins plus the 144,000 Israelites) unto God and to the Lamb. And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God."
At the 6th seal, Jesus doesn't catch up his Bride. They, the wise virgins, were caught up in Rev. 4:1. At the 6th seal, he catches up the foolish virgins in the second Rapture. The foolish virgins can't sing the NEW SONG like the wise virgins sang, but the 144,000 Israelites can. Why? because Israel was blinded in part until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in.
Rom 11:11,12 says, "I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?"
> 4) Him who sat on the throne----God the Father
To me, the God/man Jesus sat on his throne. That's why the lamb was used to represent him taking the little book.
Rev 4:2,3 says, "And immediately I (John) was (lit., became) in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper (first stone in the breastplate) and a sardine stone (last stone in the breastplate, i.e., Jesus was both the first and the last): and there was a rainbow round about the throne (as around his throne in Eze. 1:26-28), in sight like unto an emerald" (Judah's stone in the breastplate). Jesus is the Lion of the tribe of Judah.
In Rev 22:13, Jesus said, "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last."
Isa 44:6 says, "Thus saith the LORD (YHWH) the King of Israel, and his REDEEMER (Jesus) the LORD (YHWH) of hosts; I am the first (YHWH King of Israel), and I am the last (YHWH of hosts); and beside me there is NO God."
Isa 48:2 says, "THE GOD OF ISRAEL; THE LORD (YHWH) OF HOSTS IS HIS NAME." That's Jesus, the Redeemer.
> you could assume that those four horsemen have already begun their > rides.
To me, that's impossible, because Jesus does not receive the little book until we are in Heaven. He can't break the seals until we are in heaven.
However, the first horseman is already in power when the Rapture takes place. In Rev. 17, the Rapture has just taken place. Verse 15 says, "he (Jesus) is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that ARE WITH HIM are called, and chosen, and faithful."
Rev 17:10 says, "And there are seven kings (leaders of Babel in the land of Shinar, Babylon II, Media-Persia, Greece, Holy Roman Empire, Ecclesiastical Roman Empire, and Babylon III): five are fallen, and ONE IS (the Pope, leader of the Ecclesiastical Roman Empire), and the other (the False Prophet, leader of Babylon III in the desert, the land of Shinar) is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space."
That short space is the Great Tribulation, the last half of the Tribulation, the space that has to be shortened or no flesh would be saved.
> it appears that Satan and his troops will be cast from heaven at the > same time Christ's Bride will be going to heaven.
That would be Mid-Trib. Until we are raptured, we are the Temple of the Holy Spirit. I think we will have to be gone before the Temple will be built in Jerusalem. It is there Mid-Trib, so it has to be built before that. I'm hoping the Rapture will be next Ascension Day, May 29, 2011.
>. 2) " the sky will recede as a scroll and literally roll up" and "the >sun will be as black as sackcloth of hair and the moon will appear as >blood."-----It appears that the result of the transition from moral to >immortal --- involving this many people--- will result in such a >disturbance to our atmosphere, and our dimension that "the sky will >recede as a scroll and literally roll up" and the sun will appear black >and the moon red.
That happens at the Last-Trump Rapture (I Cor. 15:51-54) on the Day of God's Wrath. We will be raptured at the First-Trump Rapture (I Thess. 4:16,17).
> 5) And the last sentence of the sixth seal---"For the great day of His > wrath has come, and who is able to stand?" There is a lot to be > understood from this last statement. Jesus is saying that the "great > day of His wrath" or the great tribulation starts now at this time.
The Day of God's Wrath ends the Tribulation. It doesn't start it.