Laurie Hane (7 Jan 2011)
"Patty Hayes"
Patty,
Thank you for the
discussion we have been having. I realize that what we see in
scripture reflects where we are spiritually.....in different
places. Since we are all a part of the family and all have not
the same office, some made for honor some made of common use.....we
have different purposes in this life that God has given us. In
Gods creative way he can take the Good from each of us and use it for
His Glory....if we are wrong in our thinking, He is the faithful one
and will turn us and direct our paths.
I must say however that I was in your place of thinking after I came
out of Bible College. I would like to encourage you to think
further. (Heb. 6:1,2) In some instances your are dogmatic
about this scripture being inclusive and in others generalize. I
have done that also so I know of what I am speaking of
unfortunately. I see you do something that I myself am
prone to do. When I responded to something you had written me, I
wrote a paragraph defining what I meant. It is easy to get caught
up in the first line or two, say, ahah...they are off theologically and
miss the whole rest of the paragraph. I found this to be true
where you stated that to be a part of the bride of Christ/soul
salvation I was associating it with works: which I never stated, rather
I stated the reverse because works can never be associated with any
type of salvation whether it be the spirit or the soul. I am not
sure if you are confusing me with others that you have defended your
faith to in the past, but once again salvation comes only from the Lord
and the working out of the salvation of the soul which is completed by
God on an individual during this life time (Phil 1:6) is only
associated with our willingness for Him to do His work in us. The
only works a Christian can start and finish are those done with an
unregenerate soul- it is as filthy rags to God.(Isa 64:6)
This is man doing a work for God, the only lasting works which can make
the trip to heaven and be found good, are done by the spirit through a
willing individual. Willing in that they are submitted to God and
the Holy Spirit in their life and a work is done through them whether
they are aware of it or not.
It is also a scary
thing to contemplate that there could be a separation within the body
of Christ. It would mean accountability in catching every thought
captive (2 Cor. 10:5) John has written about this as have others on the
home page for 5 doves so I wont add to it. It is there for you to
read if you so wish. It is just that God left us an incentive, he
created us, he knew we were competitive and with a tendency toward
laziness. So He left us an incentive that would initially sink
it's hooks in us as we started the journey of coming to know him more
through the study and understanding of his words, by the workings of
the spirit in our life. Having not a mature relationship we
wouldn't know how awesome it would be to come into an intimate
relationship with the creator of the universe, the author of our
salvation, the director of our lives. So he left us the incentive
of being an overcomer or an non overcomer (Rev. 2,3) and a whole
Bible to give us the understanding necessary to be an overcomer.
Here again, it is not our works that make it so, it is our
understanding that allows the spirit to do a work. If we limit
the understanding, the work will also be limited. There is power
in the Word of the Lord and to receive the power into our lives, we
must be faithful in the putting in of the word, whether by hearing,
reading, discussing.....
So Patty at least in
some main areas we are unified. That is good and
encouraging. Once again, thank you for the discussion....I have
enjoyed visiting with you. Your sister in
Christ, Laurie