Kent Crumpler (28 Jan 2011)
"Reply to BG Ellis, Kenneth Pelletier & All Doves re: Baptism"

 
First of all BG, thank you for posting this supportive message from Andrew Strom re: salvation and baptisms. I don't know who he is and really doesn't matter; I like what he is preaching/teaching, because it is scriptural. He is absolutely correct in his interpretation and that new testament salvation began in the book of Acts. It began on the day of Pentecost (Acts Chapter 2), some 50+ days after Jesus and the thief were crucified. It was not delivered in the gospels; the time period of the gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke & John) was still under the old testament or covenant. Jesus, and John the Baptist, were certainly paving the way for the new testament covenant, but it did not happen during their ministry. The thief's salvation had nothing to do with the new testament plan of salvation, which is stated in Acts 2:38 and yes, it is 3 steps.
 
Peter, promised by Jesus to receive the keys to heaven in Matthew 16:19, preached Acts 2:38 for salvation in his first sermon after receiving the Holy Ghost. I can not imagine how the 120 other Holy Ghost filled people from the upper room, which included all of the apostles, present at this sermon could or would allow Peter to preach the wrong message. Nor would our almighty God let something as critical and important as this be preached incorrectly.
 
Acts 2:38  Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
 
Looks like a 3 step process to me, just like the gospel of Christ was 3 steps. The verse above does not contain the word "or" anywhere in it, but does include the word "and" twice, which means you have to do all three of these steps to be saved. We are to obey the gospel, which is 3 steps. Please note the parallels of death (repentance is a death to sin), burial (water baptism) and resurrection (new creature by Holy Ghost infilling) of Christ.
 
Now, I would like to address and hopefully clear up any misunderstandings on water baptism with scripture of course.
 
  • Baptism in the name of Jesus Christ vs. the titles (Father, Son, Holy Ghost)
Please note that Matthew, who penned the book of Matthew, was present at Peter's sermon and did not object to Peter's instruction to baptize in the name of Jesus. Remember, Matthew is the one who recorded Jesus' commandment to baptize in the name of Father, Son & Holy Ghost. I will tell you why he did not object:
 
It is because the name of the Father, the Son & the Holy Ghost is Jesus!!!
 
I hope that this is revelation for all and I think it is very important to understand and how it could clear up the confusion with the water baptismal formula. To understand the water baptism in Jesus name, you must understand that Jesus was God in the flesh! This may be hard to understand for some; it was for me too at first. But if you read scripture carefully and pray for understanding, you can receive revelation. The following scriptures hopefully will enlighten many:
 
Isaiah 9:6  For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
 
John 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.  14  And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,....
 
John 1:10  He (Jesus) was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
 
John 8:58  Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
 
John 14:9  Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
 
Hebrews 1:8  But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: ......................
 
There are more scriptures, but I will stop with these. I hope you are seeing and understanding this principle. You see, God can manifest himself anyway he likes and he has done this many times throughout the bible; in a cloudy pillar, atop Mt. Sinai, in a burning bush, as Jesus, etc, etc. God gave the Holy Spirit to Jesus when he came up from his water baptism (just like we are to do in our salvation) without measure, giving him the full power of God. When we get the Holy Ghost, it is in measure, the earnest of the Spirit. We will get more, much more, at the rapture when we receive our glorified bodies.
 
  • How is a water baptism to be performed scripturally?
It is to be performed by immersion; completely under water. How can you wash away your sins with sprinkling or pouring? How can you accomplish your water burial (Romans 6:4) with sprinkling or pouring? Complete and total immersion is the only way to accomplish this. Jesus, John the Baptist, Phillip & the Ethiopian eunuch, the apostles, etc all did the baptism in bodies of water. If pouring or sprinkling would have been enough, then all they would have needed was a well, not a river or a sea. I understand that sprinkling/pouring originated from a certain denomination in about 300 AD and of course was doctrine of man, which Jesus warned about during his ministry. This was brought about because they were baptizing babies and did not want to dunk them. Fair enough, but babies and young toddlers don't need to be baptized; not until they are accountable and can repent (1st Step), do they need to be baptized. Please look at the following scriptures re: water baptisms:
 
Matthew 3:6  And were baptized of him (John the Baptist) in Jordan (River), confessing their sins.
 
Matthew 3;16  And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up staightway out of the water: .................................
 
John 3:23  And John also was baptizing in AEnon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized
 
Acts 8:38  And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
 
Acts 22:16  And now why tarriest thou (Saul, later name changed to Paul, the apostle)? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
 
What I have written above is scriptural; I back up topics like these with scripture whenever possible. Salvation is not to be taken lightly; it is to be treated with fear and trembling. You are to be converted in a 3 step process. Jesus said in Matthew 18:3 unless you are converted and become as little children (the innocence, purity, etc of a child before the world gets a hold on them), you will not enter into heaven. He said in Matthew 5:20 that except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall not enter into heaven. These are very serious warnings and can only be achieved by the conversion process, which is being born again of the water (baptism) and of the Spirit (Holy Ghost infilling). The only thing I disagree with Andrew Strom on is that he baptizes by pronouncing the titles and the name of Jesus. I don't believe that it is a salvation issue to pronounce both, but it is not necessary to pronounce the titles in addition to the name of Jesus since the name of the titles is Jesus and I hope I have shown you that through some very powerful scriptures.
 
I would like to conclude with this suggestion. Andrew said it and I agree with him totally on this. Before I discovered the truth about 2.5 years ago and was born again in the name of Jesus, I had been to other denominations and I don't remember these churches hardly ever preaching from the book of Acts. This book is probably the most important book in the bible in terms of our salvation and is perhaps one of the least read books. This book is the start, it is the beginning, it is the creation of the new testament church. This book is filled with many examples of salvation and they all involve repenting (believing, obeying, surrendering, etc), water baptism in the name of Jesus and infilling of the Holy Ghost. Please read the book of Acts, especially Chapters 1 & 2. This is how it all started for us. As far as I know, we are still under this new testament until the rapture.
 
I hope you are blessed by this information.
 
In Christ,
Kent