Kent Crumpler (21 Jan 2011)
"Reply to Kenneth Pelletier re: Baptism"
Kenneth, thank you for your input on this topic. I am also very glad you have received the Holy Ghost; there is no better gift!
It looks as though we will disagree on this topic of baptism, but respectfully of course. I would like to respond further.
was given the keys to heaven by Jesus and he was told the church would
be built upon him (Matthew 16:18, 19). Peter said in Acts 2:38 to be
baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins.
Paul the apostle washed away his sins in Acts 22:16 calling on the name
of the Lord.
My Pastor and I talked about this and I asked
the Lord about baptizing in the titles vs. the name of Jesus. First, my
Pastor, and myself included, believe that you must be baptized, in the
name of the Lord, to wash away your sins that you have committed up
unto that point. And also to be covered under the blood of Jesus for
future trip-ups, because you still have them, but not like you used to
and the Spirit lets you know pretty quickly when you do mess up. When I
asked the Lord about titles vs. his name, he gave me Acts 4:12 and at
that time I was not really familiar with that scripture. I had only had
the Holy Ghost a few months at this time, and when I asked him I heard
the verse in my head, that still small voice.
understand about works is that they will not save you (before
salvation), however, James, the brother of Jesus, writes in Chapter 2
of James that faith without works is dead. He also said that the devils
believe and tremble. You know where the devils are going to end up. I
believe that water baptism is a form of works through obedience to the
word of the Lord.
Upon reading and studying about
baptisms, baptisms occur in two ways, of the water and of the Spirit.
Jesus said this in John 3:5, however he referred to it as a born again
experience. The water baptism represents your burial with Christ as
explained by Paul in Romans 6:4 and it accomplishes remission of sins
if you have properly repented. That's why Jesus said in Mark 16:16 that
those who believe (repent, obey, etc) and are baptized shall be saved,
he did not say or baptized. When he says baptized, I believe he is
referring to water & Spirit. The use of the word "and" in this
scripture means both must be done to receive the outcome spoken of. Now
he that believeth not, is damned of course. If you do not believe,
repent, then you are just going to get wet in a water baptism. Neither
will one receive the Holy Ghost if you do not believe & repent.
said baptism (water) is always after salvation. You are sealed when you
receive the Holy Ghost (Ephesians 1:12 & 4:30), whether the water
baptism is before or after this is probably irrelevant since Jesus
honors a repentant heart. I would say based on testimonies from
brothers and sisters in Christ, that most have done the water baptism
prior to the receiving of the Spirit, or Holy Ghost. I repented first,
did the water baptism second and came up out of the water with
stammering lips and speaking in tongues a couple of hours later. Praise
God! You can be water baptized before complete salvation is achieved.
the bible has many more scriptures to justify baptizing in Jesus name
and I will be glad to share them with you and the Doves. You stated
that I used Acts 4:12 for that basis. When I was talking to the Lord
about water baptizing in his name vs. the titles, this is the verse he
gave me, so that tells me, and it should tell everyone reading this,
that Acts 4:12 is referring to being water baptized in his name and
having that covering name, Jesus, pronounced over you as you go down in
the water. No, this is not the only step of salvation; there are three.
But this one can not be left out.
Paul said in several
scriptures to obey the gospel, not obey part of the gospel. The gospel
is 3 parts: the death, burial and resurrection of Christ. We obey the
gospel through death (to sin by repentence), burial (water baptism,
sometimes referred to as our watery graves) and resurrection (infilling
of the Holy Ghost into a new creature). Acts 2:38 lines up perfectly
with the gospel and how we accomplish salvation. The 2nd step of Acts
2:38 is the baptism in Jesus name and it lines up with the 2nd part of
the gospel, the burial.
My points and conclusions are that
water baptism must happen some time after repentance, before or after
the Holy Ghost. It must be done in obedience to Jesus and the apostles'
instructions and it must be done in the name of Jesus Christ. It also
must be done by immersion, just like they did in biblical times, just
like Jesus did, just like the Ethiopian eunuch, like Paul and the rest
of the apostles and Cornelius, etc, etc.
Kenneth, my goal
is not to prove you wrong; we agree on a couple of points. I want
people to pray for understanding and search this out in scripture and
decide for themselves. Also, I am not saying I am right about
everything; these are my beliefs based on what I have read, experienced
and what the Lord has told me &/or shown me.
Be blessd in Christ,