John B (29 Jan 2011)
"Re: Raul D----"Are the 3 Horsemen of the Apocalyse loosed""


Blessings Raul D,
 
I believe you are just a little off track with your interpretation of Rev.5:13.
 
You read the phrase "every creature" in heaven, on earth, under the earth, etc. will hear the blessing for Jesus and you assumed that you and every other person on earth are indeed creatures therefore God was talking to all of us--- therefore we would all hear this blessing to Jesus before the first seal was opened. Not so-----let me explain.
 
God had just described these "creatures" He was referring to in Rev.5:13 in the previous chapter. These creatures---
---were full of eyes around and within
---one was like a lion
---one was like a calf
---one had a face like a man
---one was like a flying eagle
---each had six wings
---they do not rest day or night
 
And "every time" these "creatures" give glory and honor and thanks to Him who sits on the throne, and lives forever and ever.----then---the twenty four elders fall down before Him who sits on the throne and worship Him who lives forever and ever.
 
Now when we read through chapter five we see that John the writer of Revelation looked and heard the voices of angels, the living creatures (we just described), and the elders. The total number of these three categories was described as ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands and thousands. In my way of thinking---untold millions or billions. These are beings God created I believe to over-see His creation.
 
So now in the next verses (the ones you Raul contend)--- God is still talking about the "creatures" He has just spent two chapters describing, and says---
 
13 And every creature which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, I heard saying: Blessing and honor and glory and power Be to Him who sits on the throne, And to the Lamb, forever and ever!
 
Now to prove absolutely that God is talking to these strange creatures and not us---we need only to read the next verse which says--
14 Then the four living creatures said , Amen!   These creatures knew God was talking to them so they said--"AMEN"
 
Now what can we draw from this-------
 
1) these "creatures" God was talking about in Rev. 5:13 are not us, therefore we do not have to wait for this blessing from these creatures to Jesus to be heard here on earth by us---- before the first seal can be opened.
 
2) these "creatures" God created number in the millions or billions or millions of billions only He knows. From His word we do know that they are in heaven, on the earth, under the earth and are in the sea.
 
3) I believe and there is scripture to back me up--- that God has created untold numbers of beings to over-see His creation, not only here on earth but in the heavens.
 
 
As I have wrote in prior articles here on Doves my personal belief is that the first four seals have already been opened and that one fourth of the earth is already under non-peace, war, famine and pestilence resulting in death. I believe that the fifth seal as well has already been opened. And when Jesus cracks that sixth seal the Rapture of His Church will happen accompanied by a great world wide earthquake, terrible happenings in the sun,moon and sky--- and Satan with his fallen angels will be cast to earth. And I believe that it--the sixth seal could happen anytime--any day. With what is transpiring around the planet it's apparent the stage is fully set for the final acts.
 
John B
 
P.S.-- You might want to check scripture a little closer before you pull out Matthew 24:24
 
 
Raul D  (28 Jan 2011)
"Are the 3 horsemen of the Apocalyse loosed?"


Greeting Doves,
 
there are beliefs that the 3 horsemen of the apocalypse are riding the earth right now, but are they really? Lets see them in order in chapter 6, the other chapter before is the most powerful piece of evidence to know what needs to happen before the start of Tribulation and the release of the horsemen.
 
Revelation 6
2And I saw, and behold a white horse.( 1st seal )
4And there went out another horse that was red ( 2nd seal )
5And I beheld, and lo a black horse. ( 3rd seal )
8And I looked, and behold a pale horse:( 4th seal )
 
Revelation 5:13 (King James Version)
And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth
, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.
Notice every creature everywhere including earth is going to hear this before the 1st seal opens
Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever. I haven’t heard this have you? Assuming that the book of Revelation is in order from the beginning up to chapter 6 verse one that means the horsemen haven’t been released yet
 
Revelation 6:1
And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.
After the 1st seal opening, most likely starts tribulation. but before this happens you know what the whole world must hear in Rev 5:13, if the book of Rev is in order that means this verse below applies
 
Matthew 24:24
For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

 
Raul