Bruce Warner (22 Jan 2011)
"TO: Keith C RE: your post to me (21 Jan 2011)"
You've got me wrong,
Keith. I do NOT believe that 'The Church' is tribulated. I believe that
Scriptures tell us that the "great tribulation" is the time of 'Jacob's
trouble', NOT THE CHURCH'S, so that it is focused on Israel (Jacob).
Also I do not believe that 'the tribulation' covers the entire '70th
week of Daniel', but rather that it begins in Judea (Israel) during the
first-half of the '70th Week' at the time that the abomination is seen
standing in the holy place 1,290 days before the 'Second Coming' of our
Lord. (Matt 24:15 & 21)(Daniel 12:11)
tribulation" of Israel will be cut-short for the sake of the (Jewish)
elect who are saved out of it as the remnant protected in the desert
during the last-half of the '70th Week'. The 'tribulation' ends
immediately before the 'Day of the Lord' begins with the rapture of The
Church on the 'Day of Christ'.
"Immediately after the tribulation of those days.....(the rapture is described here).
believe that the Scriptures tell us that the 'shortened tribulation'
begins in Israel, is focused on Israel, localized to Israel and ends in
Israel with the elect remnant saved. It is about 30 days in length and
ends at the mid-point of the '70th Week of Daniel' just before the 'Day
of the Lord' begins. It is the time of 'Jacob's trouble', and not a
world-wide event. The Church has no part in it.
after the tribulation of those days" the 'Day of the Lord' begins,
which is a world-wide event, with the rapture of the Church on the 'Day
of Christ' which is the first-day of the 'Day of the Lord'. The rapture
of the Church is a mid-week event of the '70th Week of Daniel' before
the wrath of God is poured out upon the whole earth.
Week of Daniel' contains separate basic events: first is the time of
Jacob's trouble, ie. 'the shortened tribulation, immediately followed
by the world-wide 'Day of the Lord' which begins with the 'rapture of
the Church' on the 'Day of Christ'.
YBIC, Bruce Warner
Hi again Keith,
You stated in your post to me, "Scholars much more intelligent than you or I have already done the heavy lifting for us."
Please consider the following Scripture:
1 Thessalonians 5:21
"Test ALL THINGS; hold fast what is good."
Scripture tells us to do our own 'heavy lifting' by testing "ALL
THINGS" for ourselves in the Scriptures. I would not advise anyone to
follow someone else without knowing, for certain, that the one he is
following knows where he is going no matter how many are following him.
The only one that I advise to blindly follow is Jesus Christ.
We are 'individually accountable' to the Lord for our ourselves. When
people leave it up to others to 'show them the way' they end up with
_____________ , or worse. (you fill in the blank)
I am not
trying to get anyone to follow me or my interpretations of Scripture. I
am merely posting what I believe the Scriptures are saying to me for
others to consider. It is up to each one of us to "test all things" and
"hold fast what is good."
In many of my interpretations of
Scriptures, I present an alternative view to what is the commonly
accepted interpretation. I have found in my 'scholarly' research days
in the three Universities I have attended is that the commonly accepted
view of things was not necessarily the correct one. I am not saying
that I am correct either, but rather I am presenting my alternative
view to consider. Until prophecy is fulfilled no one is proven wrong.
Once one's mind becomes closed to alternative views, that is the end of his learning anything new.