Anonymous (27 Jan 2009)
"A post yesterday TERRIFIED me -- someone please tell me it is not true"


I am born-again in the blood of Christ, for sure.
 
I love Jesus. 
 
I love the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
 
I try, imperfectly, to follow Jesus and please him. 
 
I believe that all my sins are covered by the Blood of Christ, which is a sufficient substitutionary sacrifice for the punishment I deserve.
 
But there was a post yesterday that terrified me and I hope that someone can make a good case that it cannot possibly be true.
 
The post said that some real, born-again Christians would be "cast into outer darkness" for a thousand years in a torment of "weeping and gnashing of teeth."
 
The only way to escape this horrible, horrible fate apparently is to have achieved some measure of response to God, some measure of "getting good", some measure of something.
 
I don't pretend to be a super-Christian, and even if I thought I was, I would have no idea whether I had qualified to escape this horrible fate.
 
So the prospect of being cast into torment for a thousand years terrifies me, with no relief from the fear over this prospect, because there is no way to ever know if I am devout enough -- or whatever the qualification is.
 
I had always relied on the Blood of Christ and the imputed righteousness of Christ to make me fit for the Lord's presence and to escape his punishment.  But this post says that the likelihood of my being "cast into outer darkness for a thousand years in a torment of weeping and gnashing of teeth" is very high.
 
If you think I am being tongue and cheek to make a point, you are wrong.  This post upset me very much.
 
If this outer-darkness fate is possible for a real born-again believer then I DREAD his coming.  Blessed hope -- are you kidding me?  Where can I hide from God?  If there is any chance this is my fate I dread the Rapture and His appearing.  Where I would long to see my Savior, I am terrified to meet my Judge.
 
So, maybe I am opening it all up again, but someone please tell me this cannot possibly true.
 
I will go on clinging to the Cross and try to find comfort in the assurance that ALL my sins, even the failure to achieve more holiness, must surely be covered by the Blood of Christ, yes?
 
That said, and grasping at straws, allow me to posit my own explanation.  I am very interested to hear your replies.
 
Have you ever noticed if you read the words of Christ thoughout most of his ministry that it sure sounds like "Old Testament obligation."  Mostly he came preaching the "Gospel of the Kingdom", not the "Gospel of the Cross."  In John 3:16 he did say believing in Him was critical, but he did not say why.
 
Then LATE, late in his ministry, after preparing them all, I guess, to hear the truth, he finally turned the corner and threw the trump card.
 
Just before going to the Cross, and explaining why he must do so, for the first time he explained the blessed Atonement --
 
"I CAME TO BE A RANSOM FOR MANY."
 
That caused a radical change in the thrust of the message, late in the Gospels.
 
But Paul and the others got it and developed the whole theme --
 
Christ had fullfilled the law on our behalf.  (With tears in my eyes I say, "Surely he fulfilled ALL my obligation before God? --Even my failure to rise to be all I should be for him?")
 
What we could never achieve on our own he achieved for us.
 
And then he was a lamb slaughtered on our behalf taking in blood the punishment we deserve.  Is that not enough to keep us out of the outer-darkness?
 
And Paul wrote chapters and chapters on all this but the capstone of this new Gospel surely must be:
 
Ephesians 2: 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;

 9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.

(See the whole passage Ephesians 2: 1-10 below)

I note as follows --

 
A. Surely if you could be "saved", and still thrown into the outer-darkness torment, then Paul would not have been so upbeat and consoling about salvation?  Surely he would have warned us RIGHT HERE of the split-salvation?
 
B.  In verses 1-3 Paul catalogs all our failings and says we were worthy of wrath -- even as the split-salvation theory says we have failed and are worthy of outer-darkness punishment.  But then in verses 4-7 -- OH, GLORY --
 

 4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us,

 5 even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),

 6 and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,

 7 so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.

 
OUR FATE, BECAUSE OF GOD'S RICH MERCY (even though we are un-fit transgessors), IS TO BE RAISED UP IN HEAVENLY PLACES WHERE THERE ARE SURPASSING RICHES IN CHRIST'S GRACE AND KINDNESS.
 
Ok, as I go through this, I am making myself feel better.  There is NO HINT of outer-darkness in any of this.
 
 
I don't pretend to be able to sort out who-all the outer-darkness is for.  I suspect people who say it IS for those who have been "made alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved)", I supect those people who believe that are perhaps
 
a.) Straining at gnats?  or,
 
b.) Sucking a category of person that was not yet known, A PERSON BORN-AGAIN BY THE CROSS, sucking that later category into earlier teachings before the Atonement was known.  The idea of Christ's imputed righteousness through his substitutionary blood had not yet been taught.  So how could this outer-darkness teaching refer to them?
 
c.) I suspect that the whole passage is an Old Testament type of teaching, prior to the Atonement, and I can't sort it out, but surely in the light of SPECIFIC TEACHINGS in Ephesians
 
SURELY IF WE ARE BORN-AGAIN IN THE BLOOD -  THAT 1000 YEAR TORMENT CANNOT BE FOR US.  SURELY.
 
 

Ephesians 2

 

1 And you were dead in your trespasses and sins,

 2  in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience.

 3 Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest.

 4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us,

 5 even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),

 6 and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,

 7 so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.

 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;

 9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.

 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.