Donna Danna (6 Jan 2004)
"Hank Hanegraaf Continues To Air His Anti-Israeli Programs"


Below is just a small part of Hank Hanegraaf's interview with Colin Chapman.  The entire interview can be read at
http://www.watch.org/showart.php3?idx=63896&rtn=/index.html&showsubj=1&mcat=1  Keep in mind when you read Colin Chapman's comments that the Lord God speaks the truth; and if the Lord didn't fulfill the promises he made to the Jewish people to bring them back to Israel in the latter days, then the Bible would be a lie and God would be a liar.  Therefore, the evidence of the Jewish people now in the promised land in the latter days is evidence that the Bible is the truth. Titus 1:2 tells us that God cannot lie and Hebrews 6:18 tells us that "it was impossible for God to lie."

HH: "Colin, speak to the listener who is saying in their mind right now look, this is a pretty simple issue, you’re overcomplicating it. God promised that the Jews are gonna return to the land of Palestine, to the Promised Land. The fulfillment of that prophecy came in 1948 and certainly was increased in its efficacy in the Six Day War in 1967. Very simple issue here. God is fulfilling His promises to Israel and this is a great and glorious time in which we are living because the Rapture is not far off."

CC: "I think the first thing I would want to say is if you develop that argument, your god seems to me to be encouraging what is a very fundamental injustice. Anybody who owns any property, any piece of land he feels attached to it. If you own a house, if you’ve got a backyard you’re attached to it. It belongs to you. Now what you are talking about amounts to a kind of ethnic cleansing which suggests that other people have the right to come along and turn you out of your land for other reasons, for biblical reasons and so part of my response would be to say do you actually realize in human terms, in very human terms what you are talking about? And do you understand that the god that you are talking about seems to be encouraging a very fundamental injustice which means people being turned out of their land and losing the inheritance of their forefathers."

HH: "But Colin, can’t God do what he wants? He did the same thing with regards to the Amalekites. He has done this throughout history. There’s a precedent for this and God has said that Israel is going to return to the land, therefore, whether it’s an injustice or not this is God’s plan and God’s purposes are now being fulfilled."

CC: "But we must hold onto the fact that God is a holy god and God is justice and also I would say that as Christians we must read everything in the Old Testament through the eyes of Jesus and so if Jesus is the new Joshua who has brought us into the rest, the Promised Land described in the book of Hebrews, there is no way that as Christians we can think of somebody wanting to do the same thing today as part of the coming of the kingdom of God. Because we live after Jesus there is no possibility that we’d go back to the model of Joshua and his ethnic cleansing of the land. Totally different situation today as Christians."

HH: "Yes. So you would challenge the idea that the recent return of the Jews to the land and the establishment of the State of Israel should be seen by Christians as the fulfillment of the promise made to Abraham and the predictions of a return?"

CC: "Yes, I would. Yes. And it seems to me that the starting point there is to recognize that Jesus in a lot of his teaching echoes passages in the Old Testament which are talking about a return from exile so that Jesus is saying look, a greater return from exile is taking place through my ministry. And so, many, many of the ideas and themes about return from exile of Babylon described in the Old Testament prophets are echoed in the teachings of Jesus, suggesting that he saw his own ministry not just as a new exodus but also as a new return from exile."