John B (8 Feb 2012)
"Re: Mike Plunkett"


Mike Plunkett (3 Feb 2012)
"Response to John B. and Donna Danna about the beast"s of revelations"

Mike.....sorry it took me so long to reply to your post.....my comments to your post are in blue.........Blessings to you, John B

 
John, Donna, & Doves,
 
John, I agree with your assessment of the RCC and its fulfillment of scripture as the Whore of Rev. that is riding the beast and I do believe as you that one of the seventh will become the eighth king, thus a pope will come back to life. I wander if this will be by DNA manipulation? It seems logical that a dead corpse could be cloned with today's evil technology!
Mike....As we discussed last week it appears that this beast that rises from the bottomless pit will be indwelled by both Apollyon and Satan. The bible says that Satan can manifest himself into an angel of light and or probably other forms.....like maybe the image of a dead pope.
 
I got to thinking about something while studying this, and came to the conclusion that Satan, the dragon, and Lucifer are all representative of the False godhead. He is the opposite of and a mirror image of everything holy. Thus, the anti-christ or (anti-messiah), could be represented by a pope, cloned, possibly, back to life with fallen angel DNA of Satan. Thus, he would be a modern day Nephilim and could be considered to be satans biological (son of perdition), yet satan would not necessarily be him, just representative of him, or called the beast by association, or he could still be possessed by satan as you suggested. .
....If you remember when John Paul II died they went to great extremes to preserve his body and blood so your DNA angle may very well play into the deception that will come. 
 
The False Prophet would have to be an opposite reflection of Jerusalem, the true church, and the Holy Spirit. Thus, the RCC, centered in Rome, would have an evil spirit and be blasphemous to Almighty God and his true identity! The false prophet has no power without the dragons presence. These two could be cast ALIVE into the lake of fire and satan would be able to escape until he is bound and cast into the "bottomless pit." John, I noticed in your post that you stated the 2 beasts were destroyed, not so. They are tormented for ever and ever in the lake of fire. ....You are absolutely correct, but I guess to me spending eternity in a lake of fire is being destroyed. Satan wants to be LIKE GOD! So, he imitates the holy trinity, with him at the top as god, his son (of perdition) would be the ANTI-christ or (anti-messiah) infused with his own DNA, and the representative of his evil spirit would emanate from the false prophet, his evil church, and city on 7 hills. Yes.....the unholy evil demonic trinity
 
My biggest problem has been with BHO, as I have read everything on the 5 doves and found the math to be conclusive as to him being the anti-christ. ....I put God's words in Rev.13 and 17 ahead of any math that man might provide concerning this.  I have also had trouble with the timing, as far as with the temple problem! I now feel that the temple is going to have to be completed, in order to fulfill prophecy......although I do not think that it is in the Jews best interest to do it because Jesus already FINISHED the sacrificial system at the cross! I believe during the first 42 months of the tribulation when the antichrist is schmoozing the world while consolidating his power he will allow the Jews to restore their temple.Great pain is going to be brought upon them for this but Jesus says he will take them back when they turn unto him and cry out, as a prodigal son returning home!YES And then Armageddon and his wrath will be totally unleashed on the earth and the devil and demons that have caused this entire perversion of his original creation and purpose. But, back to "0".....I think he is the Muslim mahdi ! Everything he has done and is doing in the world is to benefit Islam! He is systematically eliminating all of the despots that have been ruling in the Muslim countries and to much adoration to himself by all muslims. Could it be that satan will use the muslims and their mahdi, to first attack the Jews and then after they repent to Jesus and he protects them that he will turn and go after the Christians and begin murdering them! Could the 10 kings be muslim, a cooperation between the vatican and muslims in order to illiminate the Jews and Christians?
 I believe that a union will be formed between Islam and the Roman Catholic Church. The glue that will stick them together will be the false prophet who will come from Islam as their Mahdi or twelfth Imam and the false Mary of the RCC that Islam has great reverence for. Obama could indeed be the false prophet as you suggest. As you stated he has done and continues to do many things that have benefited the Muslim world. He is definitely a Trojan Horse for Islam. Everyone knows Obama has no past, most of his life remains a complete mystery. How could the president of the United States of America normally the most vetted man on the planet be a ghost figure with a foggy forged past? There are two answers to that from my point of view. One, he is protected by the ruler of this planet Satan..."we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places." And two, he will at some point claim to be the Islamic savior, the Mahdi, their lost prophet that was lost down a well in the ninth century. He'll say that is why his past had to be cloaked in such mystery. 
 
As per the ten kings, I believe that they will be ten Jesuit leaders from that segment of the RCC headed by the "black pope"(Jesuits dress in black). They will be given kingdoms by the risen antichrist the "white pope" and split the world into ten areas for them to control. At some point as per scripture the false prophet will come on scene and uproot three of these kingdoms for himself, meaning he will take control of them. He will speak pompous words against the Most High, he shall persecute the saints of the Most High and intend to change the times and law and the saints will be given into his hand for three and a half years. He will be the main enforcer for the antichrist butchering millions of people who will not worship the beast (the antichrist) take the mark of this beast or worship the talking statue of the beast. 
 
If this is indeed Obama he will take over three of these world wide segments for his control probably North America, South America and some other segment. He will display great power as does the antichrist but only if he is in the presence of the antichrist who is indwelled by Satan where the real power comes from.
 
I have just brushed the surface of this scenario, I intent to write a post on the false prophet and go into extensive scriptural detail of what I see happening during the seven years concerning both of these beasts and the roles they play and their identities.
 
 
Revelations 17: 16......And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
 
17.........For God hath put it in their hearts to fulfill his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
 
Sounds like the muslims are going to give their kingdom to the beast in an alliance with the whore to kill Jews and Christians. But then the beast is going to turn on the whore and wipe her out. Rome will be destroyed and Babylon will have fallen. God is definitely going to cause these ten kings to become traitorous and turn on the RCC at some point destroying Rome the western headquarters of the antichrist. At that point I believe you will see the antichrist move his headquarters to the city of Babylon in Iraq which will become his eastern headquarters.
 
A lot of possibilities, it has got to be getting awfully close, and everything that is going on is totally weird in the entire world. Let me know what you think as I am still not 100% sure, but I am trying hard to understand it. I think Jonathan Kleck is definitely being lead by the Holy Spirit and I agree with him that this is all about DNA and the corruption thereof. The Nephalim were never completely wiped out as God commanded after the flood when they reappeared and it makes a lot of sense to me why I have this battle going on continually in my mind....right & wrong! Our flesh is corrupted and that is why we have to die and be reborn incorrupt. It all makes sense,...... the info is really speeding up and it is so far removed from everyday reality that it is hard to talk to anyone about it because it does sound crazy, especially to those not saved or misguided! 
 

 
Praise Jesus and may God bless you all,
 
Michael P.
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Hey John,
 
I forgot to respond to your response about the angel that opens the bottomless pit. I am quite sure that this angel is satan because it says:
 
rev. 9:1......And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key to the bottomless pit.
 The bible uses the word "star" in other places in the bible to refer to angels.  The angel we speak of could be one of God's good guys or as you perceive Satan....time will tell.

Notice in Luke chap 10:18.....And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
 
That was Jesus talking in Luke. A fall indicates a moral lapse, to descend from a higher to a lower position.
 
verse 2......And he opened the bottomless pit;................................
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If you go to Rev. 20: 1...........And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
 
This time the angel comes down instead of falling down from heaven.
 
What do ya think?
 
Michael P.