Jan 31, 2011 A Tribulation and Rapture Discussion leave a comment » Daniel the post that you have today in five doves is a further stretch of our resets. If it does not fit the interpretations let us find one that fits. your item 1 the generation of 70 years does not end in 2017 as far as math is concerned. Israel was proclaimed a nation in May 15, 1948 plus 70 years = 2018. It is my opinion and I am not among the worlds brains on the subject of prophecy that there are other scriptures that must also fit in the puzzle like the 6,000 years since Adam or the different wars that must involve Israel. I would say that a starting of the Tribulation on the year 2017 is a very highly improbable scenario. In this five doves there have been very good papers written in support of other dates for the Rapture and the Tribulation and they all have quoted scripture to support their arguments. The situation in Tunisia, Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Iran, Yemen Iraq, Syria, Sudan and other Muslim nations indicates to the observer and all the news commentators of the major news networks that the Middle East is driven by instability and violence. These factors tend to point out a very close time fulfillment of the prophecies pertaining to the Rapture and the start of the Tribulation. Today in five doves there are people that are saying that the Rapture will occur at the sixth seal and others have argued that we are already in the Tribulation. Others have placed the start in Oct 28, 2008 with the Obama telecast. Too many theories and dates. I for one will try to pinpoint the parts of the puzzle and the major participants based on the fact that we are in the times of the end and that History is fluid and in constant change and challenge myself to find more than one proof for any event to be a definitive clue or piece of the puzzle. Do not feel discouraged by my words but keep testing and verifying, and then retest your ideas again. It is an extremely complex interpretation and we must labor hard to solve. The same I say to all doves that are involved in this task. Nando http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/jan2011/danielm131.htm Daniel Matson (31 Jan 2011) “Operation Reset“ Operation Reset Daniel Matson — January 30, 2010 With the passing of 2010 and the anticipated Feast of Trumpets Rapture, many straws were grasped at in the following months to make the 2010-2017 timeline work.  Even though some of the tweaks had a few valid considerations, there were still items that must be reset since changes were made to previously held views simply due to “scheduling pressures”–trying to squeeze in the events before seven years expired in 2017. It should be fairly clear now that fitting in the 70th Week by the time of 2017 is impossible, unless one truncates the 70th Week to only 3.5 remaining years, but that view distorts the clear chronology of Daniel 9. And to say we are now in those seven years, is simply not true. The first straw was to move the Rapture date to October 9, 2010 instead of September 9, 2010. The theory here was to keep intact a Feast of Trumpets Rapture and that the current observed Jewish year was actually a month early, which would have placed Trumpets on October 9th. This was clearly a valid point that needs further consideration in the years ahead. However, even though valid, this straw failed for 2010. There was no Rapture. The second straw was to move the Rapture to October 18, 2010, which was Heshvan 10 or Yom Kippur depending on the Jewish Calendar being right or one month early. This day was at the increment of 120 day periods since June 7, 1967. It fell at 120 plus 12 of these periods. Due to “scheduling pressures” the item sacrificed here was not keeping the Rapture on the Feast of Trumpets. The possible theme of the Church being sealed into the “ark” at this time seemed a valid comparison. In fact many events of the year honed in on this day. Its significance, however, was not to have a Rapture. At this time more straws seemed possible up and through Hanukkah 2010. Clearly we are still here and Hanukkah was the end of the scheduling limit. So where are we now? In limbo? First, this article is about operation reset. The first order of business is to reset the view that the Rapture is to occur on the Feast of Trumpets. There are many good articles and books on this.  The key is that when Paul described the Rapture, it was to occur “at the Last Trump” (1 Corinthians 15:52).  Jewish understanding of this term of the day along with the themes ascribed to the Feast of Trumpets, should make this pretty much a solid fact that the Rapture is to occur on the Feast of Trumpets. The second item of business is to clarify and reset to the prior conclusions of Daniel 9. With the scheduling pressures it seemed somewhat plausible that the “he” who confirms the covenant could be the Messiah and therefore a Rapture event that kicks off the 2,520 days. However, this interpretation required that the “he” who stops the sacrifices also be the Messiah, which does not make sense unless he is viewed from a position of sovereignty, which does seem to be stretching a more concise meaning. According to Daniel 9, the crux comes to understanding who the “prince to come” is, whose people destroyed Jerusalem. For it to be the Messiah in order for the further use of “he” to refer to the Messiah in the 70th Week, it means that the Jews destroyed Jerusalem. The only other option is the Romans or rather people of that empire. This is the better choice because clearly the prince “to come” still refers to something future to this destruction. The “prince to come” is properly identified as the Antichrist who comes to power at the time of the end. This then gets back to the previous understanding that the Antichrist confirms the covenant at the beginning of the seven years, causes the Abomination of Desolation midway, and then is overthrown by the Prince of Princes at the conclusion of the 70th Week. One thing that was discovered through this process is that the Antichrist confirms the covenant.  This revelation to Daniel would seem to mean to its original intended audience to be the Land Covenant of Israel. He is not saying a covenant, but the covenant. In other words, this seems to mean that the Antichrist will confirm the Land Covenant. He would actually say that Israel is Israel’s, not the Palestinians. He is then wooing Israel. If Israel has just been saved by God from the Russian-Iran Axis, then to obviously put oneself into a position of power in Israel is to approach it as a friend. It would be pure deception. So the reset for the onset of the 70th Week is back to these conclusions: 1 – The Rapture is slated for the Feast of Trumpets. 2 – The Russian-Iran Axis Invasion then comes to its fulfillment per Micah 7.  Developments in this theater will be further seen as this time approaches. The Rapture will be the catalyst. It is probable that other wars will be seen prior to the Rapture that further set the stage, like the Lebanon 2006 War or Operation Cast Lead 2008/9. 3 – The Antichrist comes to power in the following vacuum of Ezekiel’s war and the ensuing political crisis.  His confirming the covenant begins the 70th Week. Other last minute scheduling adjustments attempted to move the conclusion of the 70th Week to the conclusion of Day 1290, which is 30 days after the Day of Atonement. The Day of Atonement has been held here to always conclude the 1260 days. In rethinking Daniel 9, it is interesting that the last item to fulfill the 70 weeks is to anoint the Most Holy. Some translations refer to this as Christ or the Most Holy Place, referring to the Holy of Holies. This was only entered once a year by the High Priest on the Day of Atonement. Therefore, it would seem to be the solid choice to say that Day 1260 and hence, Day 2520, all conclude on the Day of Atonement as Christ our High Priest sets foot on the Mount of Olives, crosses the Kidron Valley, and offers atonement for the nations at the Most Holy Place and becomes the Anointed King.  This would therefore conclude the 70 Weeks. The start of the 70th Week will therefore begin 2,520 days back from the Day of Atonement as had been believed. Therefore, the original conclusions are still believed to be in play. These are: 1 – Kislev 1 will be the probable day that begins the 2,520 days. 2 – The Abomination of Desolation will occur in the middle of the 2,520 days on Nisan 20 on Firstfruits (Sunday), which usually puts the Day of Atonement on the Sabbath. 3 – The 2300 evenings and mornings make 1150 days that stretch from Av 10 and the “bringing low” of the Temple until the Day of Atonement. 4 – Day 1290 would coincide with Heshvan 10. 5 – Day 1335 would coincide with Hanukkah. Of course, the larger question is, what to do about the conclusions of 2010-2017? That is the big reset. While some still think the conclusion of the 70th Week needs to still occur in 2017, however, to keep the full allotment of seven years still future, it simply cannot be the case. The only conclusion that can be seen thus far and to keep the significance of timelines landing in 2017, is to conclude that 2017 may be the starting time of the 70th Week, pushing the Second coming to 2024. This would still allow for Christ’s return to occur within a period of 80 years. The days of our lives are seventy years; And if by reason of strength they are eighty years, Yet their boast is only labor and sorrow; For it is soon cut off, and we fly away.  -Psalm 90:10 The fall feasts of 2017 are in the 7oth year from the start of Israel, 2024 would be in the 77th year, and 2028 would be in the 81st year. 2024 and 2028 are the upcoming years that have the Day of Atonement on the Sabbath. With 80 years as the limit, 2017-2024 looks to be the next possibility and may be the final one at that. One interesting thing is that the Day of Atonement 2024 is slated for October 12th. October 12th is known as the day that Babylon was overthrown by the Medes and Persians. Please remember, this is speculation with what information we have. The Lord is returning soon regardless of anything having to do with this website. However, with the day counts of Daniel, only certain years fit within the leap month system within the limit of a generation, even if the upper limit of a generation is 80 years. More will soon come. The next coming article concerns the use of 120 and the patterns that have been seen and what may continue.