Lauren (18 Feb 2011)
"Amy Van Gerpen Re: The Hidden Ones of Psalm 83"

Amy said, "I have another thought on who the "hidden ones" are in Psalm 83.  I believe "thy people" are Israel, but the "hidden ones" are not Israel". 
Amy, take a look at Jeremiah 31, read the whole chapter, here's the first 4 verses;  
"AT THAT TIME," declares the LORD, "I will be the God of all the families of Israel, and they shall be My people." 2 Thus says the LORD, "The people who survived the sword FOUND GRACE IN THE WILDERNESS - Israel, when it went to find its rest." 3 The LORD appeared to him from afar, saying, "I have loved you with an everlasting love ; Therefore I have drawn you with lovingkindness. 4 "AGAIN I will build you and you will be rebuilt, O virgin of Israel
The "people" who, "at that time" survived the "storm of the LORD" of Psalm 83:15 "found grace in the WILDERNESS", this is Israel, both houses, see Jeremiah 31:27.
Notice He brings them in "again" a 'second Exodus'!
In Jeremiah 31:21-22 we are told to direct our mind to the highway/wilderness, notice it says a "woman will encompass a man". That is the "woman" of Revelation 12 and the "man" is the "man, Yeshua the Messiah, the son of man!
The "hidden ones" are in the land, several texts say I will gather you, I will bring you, Revelation 12:6-17 says they have the "testimony of Yeshua and keep the commandments" that angels bring them into the land.
Here's some highlites from Ezekiel 37:21-25 'The Lord GOD says, He WILL TAKE the sons of Israel from among the nations and GATHER THEM from every side and BRING THEM into their own land and MAKE THEM ONE NATION in the land, on the mountains of Israel.
ONE KING will be king for all of them and they will be My people, and I will be their God. "My servant David (the Messiah Yeshua) will be king over them, and they will all HAVE ONE SHEPHERD.
They will walk in My ordinances and keep My statutes and observe them.( keep Sabbath, Festivals and commandments)  "They will live on the land that I gave to Jacob My servant, in which your fathers lived and David/Messiah, My servant will be THEIR PRINCE forever. -
This is the fulfillment of the 'Davidic covenant' of 2 Samuel 7:10-16
Amy you said, "Israel will not be fighting and winning a war against their neighbors when they are fleeing to the wilderness" 
Israel doesn't win the war, It's the "storm of the LORD" that God uses that destroys them, Psalm 83:15. It will be in this storm, Satan and his angels arrive, thats' who those in Matthew 24:16 are fleeing from!
If today we know Satan is arriving in two years, don't you think they'll flee, when there told he's been seen!
Amy, you said, "Yes they will be hidden from the antichrist, but that has nothing to do with the "crafty counsel" of Israel enemies who neighbor her.  In fact, the antichrist conquers the whole region, including Israel's neighbors when the remnant goes in hiding".
The "crafty counsel" of Israel's regional enemies, and their "militant Muslim brotherhood' influence has to be 'eliminated" so Satan can "come in peaceably and obtain the kingdom by intrigue" Daniel 11:21
Remember the "remnant" is brought into the wilderness on angels hands, the areas they populate are the very countries the "storm of the LORD" cleared out. In Isaiah 11:11-14 we them sweeping down on the Philistines along the Mediterreanean and possesing Edom, Moab and Ammon.
Remember in Daniel 11:41 it says that Edom, Moab an Ammon are kept 'out of' the antichrists hands. Why, because angels are guarding the walls of the wilderness and the Messiah Yeshua is 'shepherding' His flock!
Amy says, "I believe the "hidden ones" are the church in Heaven.  In other words, I believe the rapture is before that war.  The following Scripture support the Church being the "hidden ones" as they describe God's people being being "hidden" during the indignation"
Amy, NO ONE gets into heaven until 1 Elul or September 4, 2016, Revelation 15:1.
It'll be at this time, when those who had been in the wilderness with the Messiah Yeshua for 1260 days are let out of the 'gate' of the wilderness by the Messiah/breaker and taken out by the LORD, whose out "at the head" Micah 2:12-13, to a 'greater place of safety onto a "sea of glass" a month before the 'seventh seal' on 1 Tishri/October 4, 2016.
Why, because the nations are being drawn into Megiddo by Satan and his angels, for the 'battle of Armageddon', plus God has to throw out His 'seven vials' of wrath before the 'Millennial Kingdom' and the 'year of Jubilee begin on 12 October 2016.
Amy, there is a "rapture" but it is HORIZONTAL and its into the wilderness where "we FIND GRACE" Jeremiah 31:2
Those scriptures are referring to the remnant who will be "hidden" while darkness covers the earth, Isaiah 28:5-6 and Isaiah 28:19-21
That "battle at the gate" in Isaiah 28:6 is the "remnant" holding on while Michael is battling Satan and his angels during what I believe will be  3 days of darkness, before we are sealed and brought into the wilderness!
Unbelievable days ahead! Thanks for your reply, Lauren