John B
(9 Feb 2011)
"RE: Jennie--Pale Horse, Rapture during Sixth seal, Time of Rapture"
Jennie,
If you read my
articles from a couple of weeks ago, you know that I agree with what
you said in your 8Feb reply to Jim. That is---
I believe
the seven seals that are to be opened by Jesus have already started and
it appears from the video of the pale horse in Cairo that Jesus is on
or at number four. And don't believe those who would have you believe
that the image was a smudge on the camera lenses. Smudges don't flutter
like a rippling flag in the wind as did the image we witnessed. And
don't believe those who say that one fourth of the earth has to be
killed by the four horsemen so "we can't be there yet". The bible says
that one fourth of the earth was given over to the four horsemen to do
their terrible deeds. It doesn't say that one fourth of the earth will
be killed by them. And as I have said before one could build a very
strong case that one fourth of the earth is now under the threat of
death by war, pestilence, famine and by the beasts of the earth.
I
believe as you and as I have written, that when Jesus opens that sixth
seal there will be a huge world wide earthquake. At that same time the
Rapture of the Church will happen where the dead in Christ and the
alive in Christ will be instantaneously gathered to Him in the clouds.
This Rapture "process" and the great worldwide earthquake will cause
the sun to turn black, the moon red, and our sky (our heavenly view
looking upward) to roll up like a scroll. Somewhere in this process
when the sky is rolled up and open--maybe open to another dimension,
God will cast Satan and his fallen angels to earth like late over-ripe
figs from a fig tree in a mighty wind.
Don't believe that
crowd that says that we are Raptured and show up in Rev.4 or 5 before
the seals are opened. The only place we---the Raptured saints show up
in chapter 4 or 5 is in a song. We don't show up literally or
physically---only in a song of the future. But we do show up after the
sixth seal has been opened---"a great multitude which no one could
number, of all nations, tribes,peoples, and tongues, standing before
the throne and before the Lamb".Rev.7:9 With an event as
monumental as the Raptured saints showing up in heaven-----Where do you
think God's word would display this event? In a future song in Rev.5 or
in a glorious representation of this heavenly arrival event in Rev.
7:9-17 after the sixth seal had been opened.
There is
another crowd that says that Christ's Church will escape His wrath,
therefore the Rapture has to happen before any of the seals are open.
Again the first four seals merely state that one fourth of the earth
will be under conditions of war, famine, pestilence and beasts of the
earth---which they are. And yes, the Raptured saints will escape His
wrath. He keeps His promise and He tells us when His wrath starts----it
starts in the sixth seal right after He has just removed His church
from the earth. He tells us so in Rev.6:17(as you stated
Jennie) "For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able
to stand?"
Now it appears that the fifth and sixth seals
are up to bat. Jesus will open the fifth seal in heaven and we on earth
will not know when He has done so. Those souls from throughout the ages
and millions of martyrs that accepted the sacrifice that Christ made on
their behalf that have been asleep, will be awoken and told that they
have to rest "a little while longer". Rest until the number of Christ's
gentile church has been fulfilled. So we on earth won't know when that
number has been accumulated but it will become "air apparent" when the
whole earth starts to shake and the Rapture trumpet is blowing----- as
He opens the sixth seal.
Now the question millions have
speculated on---the timing of the Rapture or the timing of the opening
of the sixth seal. I must have read a hundred different dates and
scenarios as I am sure you have concerning this time. We all have our
theories and beliefs based on biblical verses, Jewish history,
mathematical formulas, orientation of the stars, current events,
etc.etc.etc. Hundreds of these date setters have fallen to the way side
and lost their credibility over time for being in error of this
illusive moment in time. For whatever it's worth I'd like to throw my
hat in the ring so to speak with my timing of the Rapture. My timing is
not a date but a season. But I think that season could be narrowed to a
few weeks. I base my views on this timing from the words of God in
Isaiah 18, a chapter of scripture that many would not relate as Rapture
verses. I'll start in verse 4 with the explanation below the verse.
4
For so the LORD said unto me, I will take my rest, and I will look from
my dwelling place like a clear heat in sunshine, [and] like a cloud of
dew in the heat of harvest.
So the Lord said to Isaiah--"I will
take my rest". To me this means God's (Jesus') work is done. The sin
debt He had to pay for our salvation was paid in full on the cross. He
has spent approximately 2000 years preparing a place for His Church /
Bride as He promised. The fullness of the Church or quantity of Gentile
believers has been accomplished. He has Michael the archangel rounding
up Satan and all his fallen angels which are about to be ousted from
heaven.
So He is resting and looking from a dwelling place.
Could this particular dwelling place be the place He will be when the
Rapture happens? The next two phrases really blew me away when I
understood them. What was He looking at when He looked from His
dwelling place? "Like a clear heat in sunshine and like a cloud of dew
in the heat of the harvest." In both instances He is talking about
something rising. We know from scripture that the dead in Christ will
rise first and then the living in Christ will rise second. Now look at
the wording He used in the two phrases. "Like clear heat in the
sunshine" That's like the heat you see rising from asphalt on a hot
day, it appears to be coming from the earth, it rises and then
disappears. As will the dead in Christ--- that will rise first. Now the
second phrase "Like a cloud of dew in the heat of the harvest" Again we
have something rising but this time the dew is already in the air, it
just rises and then it disappears. As will be those who have accepted
Christ who are alive----they will just disappear.
5
For before the harvest, when the bud is perfect, and the sour grape is
ripening in the flower, he shall both cut off the sprigs with pruning
hooks, and take away [and] cut down the branches.
Before the
main part of God's earthly harvest in the tribulation period, when the
bud (Church / Bride) is perfect and the sour grape (Jewish people) is
ripening (ripening because they still haven't accepted Christ as their
Savior but will do so) in the flower, He will do two things. Cut off
the sprigs with pruning hooks and "take away" (Rapture His Church) and
cut down the branches. The branches appear to be the people left behind
that have not accepted Him.
6 They shall be left together for
the mountain birds of prey, and to the beasts of the earth: and the
birds of prey shall summer upon them, and all the beasts of the earth
shall winter upon them.
These branches, these left behind people
will be left together for the mountain birds of prey to summer upon
them and the beasts of the earth shall winter upon them. My
interpretation of this is that at the same time Christ's Church is
going up in the Rapture, Satan and his fallen angels (mountain birds of
prey--possibly UFO's) will be cast to earth and will prey upon the left
behind people in the summer. Then at some period later the beasts of
the earth (demons entombed in the earth as per Rev. 9) will prey upon
the people
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OK,
lets focus on verse 5 for the possible answer as to the timing of the
Rapture. The way I interpret this verse Jesus is saying that before the
main part of the harvest ,in the tribulation period, there will be a
time when the "bud" or His Church is perfect. Meaning that that
accumulation number of gentiles has been reached. At this point He will
cut off these buds---these sprigs, and take them away----Rapture them.
And the Jews, Jesus' chosen people who He refers to as sour grapes
because they haven't sweetened or accepted Him yet will be left to
ripen until they do accept Him, which as scripture states, we know they
will after Ezek.38,39.
Now when will this taking away---Rapture
happen? When the grape is ripening in the flower as per verse 5. Now if
we use Jerusalem or Israel as the location because He was referring to
them, then what time of the year would the grape be ripening in the
flower? I no little about grapes but the apple trees here where I live
go from flower to green fruit in May. The question is, when is the
grape going from flower to fruit in Israel? Obviously springtime but I
don't know specifics but those who do could narrow that time to a week
or two for a time frame. And that's when I believe the Rapture
will happen. And I believe that due to current events that the "taking
away" or Rapture will be this year when the grape is ripening in
the flower in Israel.