John B (12 Feb 2011)
"RE: Michelle---Explanation of the fifth seal"

Let me try to help you understand the aspects of the fifth seal and maybe we can clear up the confusion you are having.
Have you ever heard the biblical expression---absent from the body, present with the Lord? Well if you die "in Christ", meaning that during your life you made a conscious decision to accept Jesus Christ and the bloody sacrifice He made on your behalf on the cross then you are His for eternity. So when you die, not your physical body but your soul goes immediately to Him (present with the Lord) but  the consciousness of your soul is asleep. Now from Christ's sacrifice on the cross to the present, there are untold millions of people that have accepted Him and untold millions who were viciously martyred for Him.(for example--millions of true Christians and Jews were martyred by the Catholic Church in the Middle ages) The souls of all those people have been present with the Lord but asleep since their deaths. Let's look at how Paul the apostle explained it in 1Thessalonians 4:13-18

13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive [and] remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

So the souls of these millions and millions of people who have been asleep some from 2000 years ago ,some from two moments ago, are awaken from their sleep as Jesus opens the fifth seal. A lot of them are very angry because they were violently killed for their belief in Jesus throughout the ages and are crying out to Him. They want to know how long it will be before Jesus judges those on earth who killed them. Jesus gives them all white robes and tells them to rest, and that they will have to wait "a little while longer" until the number of His believers is complete. Obviously there is a total accumulated number of fellow servants, a human goal if you will, a preconceived quantity of believers that has to be reached before the Rapture of the church will happen.

We on earth will not know when this total quantity of believers has been reached or when this fifth seal has been opened in heaven but it appears that the first four seals have been opened and the believers in Christ are being added to this total at a rapid rate. Christians are dying and being martyred around the world at an accelerated rate whether it be in Sudan, Pakistan, Egypt, Indonesian or most any Muslim country there is.

When this total number has been reached Jesus will open the sixth seal which could be at any time. There will be a world wide terrible earthquake, at that same time the rapture of the church will happen where the dead in Christ (those who were asleep) and the alive in Christ will be instantaneously gathered to Him in the clouds. This Rapture "process" and the great worldwide earthquake and I suspect multiple volcanoes will cause the sun to turn black, the moon red, and our sky (our heavenly view looking upward) to roll up like a scroll. Somewhere in this process when the sky is rolled up and open--maybe open to another dimension, God will cast Satan and his fallen angels to earth like late over-ripe figs from a fig tree in a mighty wind. And then as per Rev.6:17 in the sixth seal, Jesus proclaims that the great day of His wrath has come. But He kept His promise that His believers would escape this wrath because still in the sixth seal before the opening of the seventh we all show up in heaven. A great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb.

And as I said this number could be reached anytime but my own personal belief is that it will happen in the spring when "the sour grape is in the flower in Israel" as per Isaiah 18:5

Luke 21:36

John B



Michelle Simpson (11 Feb 2011)
"New letter for The Five Doves Latter-Day Letters"


I have been a lurker to five doves for nearly a year and would now like to begin joining in the conversation. I am a spirit-filled Christian wholehearted in my desire and watch for Jesus to come imminently in the rapture. Please publish the following letter in your "The Latter-Day Letters" segment.

Thank you and may the Lord continue to bless you, and all Doves, as you watch for Him to come.


Welcome to the Doves, Michelle!


Hello Five Doves,

Re: To Jennie and John B/Pale Horse, Rapture, Sixth Seal

I'm strongly leaning toward your Rapture after the sixth seal view. For some time now I've continued to trip over the Rapture occurring at Rev. 4:1 since there was no actual mention of it happening there. I only recently resolved/received peace in my spirit that the Rapture will actually occur at a point prior to the seventh seal being opened.

The only thing about this time sequence that continues to not make sense to me involves the fifth seal. It seems to be misplaced in my logic.  Who are the slain in Rev. 6:9?  I always believed they were those martyred in the future holocaust of mass beheadings that should take place once the Antichrist is unmasked and fully running things. But if this is true then why are they being seen under the altar in heaven before any of the full blown tribulation events (trumpet & vials), which take place after the seventh seal, even begin to happen?  In other words if the BRIDE, who is not appointed to wrath, has not yet been taken up at the fifth seal point,  then this slain group under the altar at the fifth seal has to be other than the mass beheaded ones because the mass beheaded ones do come out of the great day of his wrath. So again, who are these slain ones? Why is John seeing them in heaven at this point?  Could this be a group of Christians killed in large numbers in an event or events that happen prior to the Rapture as a result of the release of the pale horse going out? .... Or are they simply the many Christians who have been persecuted and martyred around the world and over centuries solely for being Christians in anti-Christian, hostile environments (eg. .. Stephen; or the many underground Church converts of eastern nations, etc.)?  I'm trying to see how the fifth seal scenario being placed where it is makes sense?