I agree with you 100 percent that we are inundated with false words and false prophets. One of the reasons that we are surrounded with so many lies, is that no one holds these people accountable. And what is even worse, the so-called "leaders" are justifying and promoting these fallacies. Now, I cannot declare at this time that the people who presented this " word" are "false prophets." But I can declare that their "word" was false. Please see my previous post on this topic for balance.

 

The True Measure of a Prophet

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/feb2006/johnc28-1.htm

 

 

Please believe me when I say, that my statement is not taking anything away from your personal experience of burden and release. Only a fool would declare that your experience wasn't valid, as were many others. And I have no need of your book on the work of the intercessor, having over 35 years of experience. I also keep a keen eye open on the intelligence reports and have made thousands of posts with their regards to prophetic fulfillment. And what this incident actually demonstrates prophetically is "deception" and "rumors of wars".

 

Any yahoo can predict wars and disasters, eventually one of them will finally be correct. But those within the "Church" are supposed to be speaking for God, and are held by a much higher standard. We are to be lead of the "Spirit" and not by the "intelligence reports." But even the "intelligence re! ports" were not speaking of an all out nuclear attack by Russia on the United States this last January 23rd.. Here's a quote from their "third vision."

 

"... harbor area in New York ...nuclear explosion. Then in addition to this explosion, suddenly I saw flat across the map of the United States and saw the following names jumping up, I heard the names of the cities as I saw them raise up off the map somehow I knew that these cities would be attacked at the same time: Cincinnati, San Francisco, Montreal, Atlanta, Dallas and Washington DC."

 

There are always "reports" against New York, Washington DC, and occasionally San Francisco. In December there was intelligence in Atlanta which was false, and in January for a couple of days there was concern for a chemical plant outside of Dallas. Montreal isn't even in the United States, and I doubt if Cincinnati is high on Russia's attack list.

In his message he also predicts an earthquake over one mile deep splitting the United States in the middle from Houston Texas, and in the fourth vision a tsunami covering the Hawaiian island's then seeing the words written:

 

"CAN NOT BE OVERRIDDEN"

 

And then they finally state regarding timing:

 

"After this we prayed specifically to receive an indication about timing. So as we prayed the Lord gave me a vision about a boat which wrote in the water 23 (it came from top to down) in the spirit I knew this was January.... (1- 23) and then the boat came again and wrote 2006 from the left to the right."

"Personal comment (by Ueli):"

 

"For the fact that the Lord showed this vision about New York, was an an! swer to many prayers, it was on August 11. that the Lord woke me up in the morning with a prayer on my lips to call for the Christians and Jews in New York to leave....., So I prayed this prayer during many days, and with this Vision, I believe the Lord gave some very clear indications to understand, what he wants to say. The timing is to be taken very serious: Jan. 23. 2006 I believe, the Lord has already softened and delayed this judgment announced since last fall very clearly, so I have the impression there will be no delay anymore, but there is a clear call to simply prepare for!"

 

If we are to believe this so-called " prophetic word," intercessory prayer is useless. And they were quite specific and "serious" about its timing. I wonder if we will ever see them o! r their supporters claim some future disaster as fulfillment of this false word. Please always keep in mind that Jonah knew that Nineveh would repent and not receive Gods judgment. The True Prophet has this understanding, like my example of Moses in my first post.

 

It is my opinion that what we are seeing is a large degree of mixture. There is so much information available (intelligence and previous prophecies), that this information is being integrated or used to interpret a limited Word from the Holy Spirit. What is originally given as a simple "Word", is transformed into "the movie of the week." And if the people are not brought to accountability, they will never learn how to give a clear Word. And the "Church" will continue to look like ignorant Chicken Littles crying wolf lacking credibility.

 

You may be surprised Deborah, but I also prayed about this message. And the Lord told me "nothing." I know of others who recei! ved the exact same message. We all came to the same conclusion. Either, this wasn't a "Word from God," or it was something we specifically didn't need to know. (Like Peter inquiring about Johns future. I do not live in an area directly related to this message.). Now we all senced that "something" is still pending, and that portions of this message might occur at some later date (there is really nothing new in this word, except its date.). But unless some report comes out that on January 23rd, 2006 we turned back the Russian forces (he calls it a "fleet" along with "black helicopters."), I will remain convinced that this "word" did not come from the Holy Spirit.

 

Deborah, your word was the True prophetic Word, not the promoted one.

Quote:

"Then strangely, on Sunday afternoon on the 22nd, the burden or urgency to pray just left. This thought came to my mind: "there would be no attack on Monday". "!

 

 

It is not uncommon for intercessors to be given a burden, and not even know what that burden specifically is. I have even been given prophetic Words which came to pass precisely, but not in a manner that I first perceived. There are plenty of things occurring today that are unseen and definitely need prayer. One day you will know what truly happened, and who you helped. But I doubt if it was turning back the Russian invasion (more than a "terrorist attack" was "prophesied.") on New York and six other cities on January 23rd, 2006, that "CAN NOT BE OVERRIDDEN!"

 

Shalom, John

 

You can read the entire original false "word" at the following link:

New York Attacked Jan.23, 2006, Ch! arle' Homan And Ueli Surbeck

http://all-things-new.net/index.php?showtopic=732