KML (25 Dec 2016)
"Re: Harold "distinguish hell and the lake of fire""

 
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2016/harold1211.htm
Thank you Harold for your response, I am always open to a good study in the word of God.

I must ask the question; What do we know according to the Bible about what hell' is?
Defining hell is important in order to understand the literal and actual place called Hell in our Bible.
In places like Deuteronomy 32: 22, 24, 35 which is the first mention of hell in our Bible, we read: For the fire' "is" kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto
  the"lowest hell", and shall consume the earth" with her increase, and "set on fire the foundation(s) of the mountain(s)." 24) They shall be burnt with hunger, and devoured with "burning heat", and with bitter destruction: I will also send the teeth of beasts upon them, with the poison of serpents of the dust. 35) To me belongeth vengeance, and recompence; their foot shall slide in due time: for the "day" of their calamity is at hand, and the "things" that come upon them make haste. (Time frame: Jacob's trouble-end times)
In Revelation 1:18 our Lord said: I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the "keys" of hell and of "death."
In Revelation chapter 6 we understand these seals to be " the seven sealed judgments." These are not the "throne" judgments as we know. But of these judgments we read in verse 8, The 4th seal, A Pale horse, And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his "name" that sat on him was "Death", and "Hell" followed with him.
Both these: Death and Hell are capitalized in this verse. Both are separate entities, both dwell together.
We understand according to the study of Philosophy, and Science, which teach that we have 5 senses we use to identify and observe the world around us, these being:
1. Sight
2. Feel
3. Taste
4. Smell
5. Hearing
According to empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says that if it is not measured by these senses, it' does not exist.
Faith' is what science has a problem with.
When we consider that there is such a thing as "heat"; Is there also such a thing" as Cold?
According to science, they say Yes there is Cold.
But; the truth is there isn't Cold.
We can have lots of heat, even more heat, superheat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we don't have Cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero which is not heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing' as Cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure Cold.
Heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, just the absence of it.
What about Darkness? Is there such a thing' as darkness?
Science would say Yes; for what is night if there isn't darkness?
We can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light, but if we have no light "constantly," we have [nothing] and God called it Darkness.
What is my point?
The world works on the primise of duality.It argues there is Life and Death, A good God and a bad God. It views the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Science, the world, can't explain a Thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never  "seen," much less fully understood either one. To view Death as the opposite of Life is to be ignorant of the fact that Death cannot "exist" as a substantive "thing."  Death is not the opposite of Life; just the absence of it.
The Link between man and God is Faith.
Therefore when we read about the Pale horse rider having a name; Death, and  Hell followed with him, we understand that Death is not a substantive thing.
There is no Life in this rider, but Hell, which our Bible tells us is a substantive thing follows "with" him. 
Now, knowing what Death is not, we look upon what Hell is.
Let us read in Mark 9 beginning at verse 42. And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones "that believe in me," it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea. 43) And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into Life' maimed, than having two hands to "go into hell," [into fire that never shall be quenched:] Where "their" worm dieth not, and [the fire is not quenched.] ( 3 times in Mark, the Lord Jesus said this, in verses 44,46,48)
I do not read anywhere in the scriptures where Hell is temporary and the Lake of fire is "another place" for the individuals who stand before the White Throne judgment of God the Father. Allow me to continue.

I am sure that when Abraham gat up early in the morning and looked toward Sodom and Gomorrah, and toward "all the land of the plain," and saw the smoke of the country went up "as smoke of a furnace," it surely looked to him as "a lake of fire."
We as believers in our Lord Jesus Christ are to go before the Judgment seat of Christ.
We read from Paul in the book of Romans 14:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall "all" stand before the judgment seat  of Christ. Now verse 9) For to this end Christ both DIED, and ROSE, and REVIVED, that he might be Lord both of "the Dead" and "Living." Now verse 11) For it is written, As I Live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow To Me', and every tongue shall confess to God." So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
(Whatsoever is not of Faith is sin. Romans 14:23)
Psalms 1:5 Therefore the [ungodly] shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.

2 Corinthians 4:18 While "we look not at things which are seen", but "at the things which are not seen:"  for the things which are seen "are temporal;" but the things which are NOT seen "are eternal."
( We cannot see hell lest we die in our sin)
2 Corinthians 5: 1-4 For we "know" that if our "earthly house" of "this" tabernacle were [dissolved] we have a building of God, an house NOT made with hands, [eternal] in the heaven(s). For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is "from heaven:' If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked. For we that are [in] this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not clothed upon, that "mortality" might be "swallowed up of LIFE."

Lake Of Fire' is mentioned only 4 times in the whole of the scriptures. All 4 are in Revelation 19:20, and 20:10,14,15.
The Beast (a man) and The False Prophet (a man) will be cast  Alive into the Lake of fire. Which tells us their Body is burned up, but their souls are tormented forever.
NOTE: At this point in time, TIME is no more, and these things have never happened before.
TIME as we know it stopped in Revelation 10:6

Let us read in Isaiah 5:13-16
Therefore my people are gone into captivity, because they have no knowledge: and their honourable men are famished, and their multitude dried up with thirst.
Therefore HELL hath (enlarged) "herself" and opened "her" mouth  "without measure:" and their glory, and their multitude, and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall (descend into it.) And the "mean man" shall be brought down, and the "mighty man" shall be humbled, and the eyes of the lofty shall be humbled:
Our Lord said; Matthew 25:41, 46 Then' shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, [into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:] And these shall go away [into] everlasting punishment:] but the righteous [into] LIFE eternal.
Hell is not temporary, she has enlarged herself, and as Moses wrote in Deuteronomy 32:22  For "a" fire IS kindled "in mine anger," and shall [burn unto the lowest hell,] and shall consume the earth [with her increase] and set on fire the foundations of the mountains.
This increase of Hell herself sounds like it could be the "a" Lake of fire in the last days?

The words " Fire and Brimstone" are mentioned 6/6/6 times in the whole of scripture. These same words are used in Revelation 14:10, 20:10, 21:8 concerning [a lake of fire. and brimstone]
We also find them in the Old Testament in Psalms 11:6 and Ezekiel 38:22.
The New Testament also in Luke 17:29 But the same "day" that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone [from heaven] and destroyed them all.
We have never seen" Hell, but by Faith we believe it exists. We know' for a surety, we do not want to go there.
From the beginning of the scriptures, the thing' that hath been, is that which shall be, and That' which was done, is that which shall be done, and to this very day, there is no new thing under the sun. But "a day" is coming when TIME shall be no more. Revelation 10:6 That there should be TIME no more.
ON that' day the things which [are] have never been before, and the things done have never been done before, and these things, are New things under the sun. It is called "the time of Jacob's trouble."
Jeremiah 30:7 Alas ! for [that day] is great, so that none is like it: it is even the Time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.
Hell is a her, The earth is a her. Therefore they are fruitful and multiply.
Hell is not temporary.

Please feel free to show in the scripture that it is. Then I will believe.
I quote your response:
I suggest to distinguish between "hell" and "the lake of fire"- according to the bible. They are not identical. Hell is a temporary place lasting until the great white throne judgment. unquote
( I believe I have shown proof that Hell is not temporary and I hope to prove  Hell and the Lake of fire are one and the same))

I read in 2 Peter 2:9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly "out" of temptation(s), and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
2 Peter 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are [now,] by the same "word" are kept [in store, reserved] "unto fire" against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
1 John 4:17 Herein is our love made, that we "may have boldness" in the day of judgment: because "as he is," so are we "in this world."
Jude wrote to us,, "them that are sanctified" by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:
He writes MERCY unto us, and PEACE, and LOVE, to be multiplied.
He gave all diligence to write to us "of" the common salvation, BUT it was needful for him (by the Holy Ghost) to write unto us and EXHORT us that we should CONTENT for "the Faith" which was once delivered to the saints.

I ask; Why Mercy, and Peace and Love? Because "in the last days " even the very elect can be deceived, and the love of many shall grow cold.
In order for "the love" to grow cold, it must be that the heat of the fire of our first love of God, is going out.
Revelation 2:4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast "left" thy first love.
For many sleepy believers in this day and time, Jude felt it NEEDFUL that he should strike "that' original match, by putting us in remembrance of the "things" that had been, in order that we might see that which shall be.
In Revelation 6:8 Hell followed "with" Death. Remember this is a sealed judgment.

According to Ecclesiastes 1:9 
We must ask the question, Has Death ever come, and Hell followed with him in the past history of our Bible? Yes
Exodus 11: 5,6 At midnight God went out into the midst of Egypt, and all the firstborn of Egypt Died, save for the daughter of Pharaoh, because she had taken in Moses. Where did these souls go? Hell: always follows the wicked and ungodly.
Revelation 20:14 And Death and Hell were cast into the lake of fire: this is the Second Death.
I compare "the lake of fire" to that which is written in Deuteronomy 32:22.
We know for a surety that Hell is on fire, and the fire is Not quenched, and the worm dieth not.
 Death and Hell are to be cast "into" the lake of fire, and in this; Hell and the lake of fire are become ONE and the same.

Death is not the opposite of Life, it is the Absence of Life, therefore there shall be no more Absence and Life, but Life eternally. Which we, as believers in our Lord Jesus Christ, are promised.. 
So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, "then" shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. O Death, where is thy sting? O Grave, where is thy victory? 1 Cor.15:53-55 and 58.

( Hell is not temporary, and because Hell has enlarged herself, and I do remember there is the 1/3 of an [innumerable] number of God's heavenly angels that will be cast into this lake of fire also. When Hell and Death are cast into the lake of fire, Hell and the lake of fire, are ONE and the same)
DEATH is the absence of LIFE
LIFE is the breathe of God.
LIFE is LIGHT ( John 1:4 In him was life; and life was the light of men.)
DARKNESS is the absence of LIGHT

Isaiah 8:19-22 And when" they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that "mutter:" should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead? 20) To the Law and to the Testimony: "if" they speak not according "to this word," it is because there is NO LIGHT in them. 21) And they shall pass "through" it, hardly bestead and hungry: and it shall come to pass, that when' they shall be hungry, they shall fret themselves, and curse their king and their God, and look upward. 22) And they shall look unto earth; and behold "trouble and Darkness, dimness of anguish; and [ they shall be driven to Darkness. (Last days)
When we look up into the heavens at night and see the LIGHT of the stars, we can know that these stars are LIFE. What "kind" of LIFE are these stars? They are angels and they too are given life from God in the beginning.
( God breathed into the nostrils of man, and man "became a living soul and the soul of man never dies. It is an eternal gift of God, which will continue to exist in a comfortable place or a place of torment(s). (That which is of God is eternal.) "His breath."  God is spirit. He is separate of all things. He IS.)

 The One thing that has many preachers and teachers baffled is
OUTER DARKNESS. Which is mentioned 3/3/3 times in the book of Matthew.
Matthew 8:12, 22:13, and 25:30

Please forgive the lengthy response of this letter, but some things take time to search out. I try to not give a quick answer; because it gives the idea that I would not give such an important subject the value it deserves.

Paul wrote to Timothy: Study to "shew thyself" approved "unto God," a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing "the word of truth."
( not other men, but unto God)

We are to let our yea be yea and our nay, nay; lest we fall into condemnation.
 But I say unto you, That every "idle word" that man shall speak, they shall give account thereof "in the day of judgment." Matthew 12:36

I am accountable unto God for the words I have spoken herein this letter.
As are we all for the words we share here. I try to speak that of what I know is a surety.
( I am now in a study of The Book of Life. I ask the question; What book do we hold in our hands? The answer to that question alone, is very important for the man of God, and until the man is fully satisfied with his answer to that question, can he be sure he is eating from the bread of life. For man cannot live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. God said: Seek ye out OF the book of the Lord and read. None of these shall fail, none shall want her mate.) So very important.

Thank you again for the pleasure of this study.
May the Lord bless and keep you always.
KML