Doves,
I believe there is way more to the present Revelation 12 story than most have surmised.....let me share my thoughts and discernment with you concerning this topic.
Revelation 12 speaks of two signs in the heavens and what happens during each sign but when one reads about these Revelation 12 happenings from present day articles and videos all the particulars seem to blend into one scenario..... not the reality of two different scenarios.
What is portrayed by most authors or views is that there is the planet Jupiter in a retrograde motion in the sky staying in the womb of the constellation Aries for 42 weeks (a human gestation period). Then at the conclusion of these 42 weeks on the 23rd of September 2017 (on or near the Feast of Trumpets) a perfect prophetic alignment of celestial bodies around the constellation Aries will signal the birth of someone or something as per Revelation 12. And many speculate that this birthing is the rapture of the church that they believe will happen on that day.
And I agree the above scenario seems to make a lot sense..... until you take a closer look at the wording and conclude there are not one but two story lines going on here in Revelation 12........ and not one “birthing” scenario.....but two.
Let's look at each story line separately. The first “complete” story line is Revelation 12:1-2 and the second separate story line is Revelation 12:3-5. Each story line deals with a separate sign in the sky and each story line has a separate birthing and their own conclusions and circumstances.
Starting with the first story line from verses 1 and 2 we see the celestial alignment of the sun, moon, planets and stars in the constellation Aries..... and we know from the star charts that this is a once in 7000 year alignment and it happens next September on or near the Feast of Trumpets. And we know from verse 2 that a birthing happens including crying out from the labor pains of the birth.
Who or what is birthed on that day in September?
It's not the church or the rapture of it. The rapture is birthed or happens months preceding this date during the second scenario as I will explain in detail later below.
So the “what” and the “who” of the 23 September date birthing.........
What is birthed is the start of the final seven years before the millennial reign begins known as the 7 years of tribulation or Jacob's trouble.
Who arrives then.... or are prophetically birthed then....... are the two end time witnesses. As you know the Feast of Trumpets can't be started until two witnesses view the new moon on that date. Next year it appears those witnesses will be God's two end time witnesses arriving on the world stage as the “official” God sent witnesses declaring the end of the Jubilee year and the start of the tribulation. And the great labor pain reflected in verse 2 will also be reflected onto the earth by these two witnesses during their 42 month ministry or during the first half of the seven year trib period. Scripture tells us that these two (God protected) witnesses dispense much misery and suffering onto the world during their ministry.
Now.....Revelation 12:3-5..... the second separate scenario and separate story line.
What we see here is a second sign in the sky which I believe (from scripture) happens several months before the September 23 sign. This sign has something to do with a Red Dragon which many believe to be the “red” ninth planet (going by several different names) which enters or re-enters our solar system on a multi thousand year interval. It does appear that this planetary object in lurking in the constellation Aries presently. I will link a video by Scott Clark of ERF ministries below that explains this red planet and the attempts by NASA and Goggle to conceal it from the general public. (Also note that I do not agree with Scott's conclusion concerning the time of the rapture but his expose' on the red planet is very good)
In this second scenario portrayed in verses 3-5 we see what is described as a “man child” that is “caught up” or raptured up to God and His throne. In earlier generations this word man child was believed to represent Jesus rising to his Father and the throne but a more recent Hebrew word study concerning this word is now rendered it as...... Jesus' seed or Jesus' church.
So it's the church that is caught up or snatched up during this second Red Dragon sign scenario.
If this “catching away” happens before the September date, then when will that be? Let's let other scriptures help us out with the answer to that question.
Isaiah 66 speaks about the birth of this man child or in this case the catching away of the church.
In Isaiah 66:7 he says that.......”before she was in labor, she gave birth; Before her pain came she delivered a male child (man child).
We know from the first scenario that the crying out and the labor pains happen during the first great celestial sign that has been pegged for 23 September 2017.
Now it appears that Isaiah is telling us that the catching away or rapture or symbolic birthing of the church happens before the labor pains even start. That means sometime between now and next September.
Are there other areas of scripture that indicate a “catching away”or rapture that would happen in a few months (prior to September) that would seem to also validate this Isaiah prophecy? Yes
Yes.... there are two biblical stories / areas that I have personally leaned on for years that indicate a time of the year that would fit perfectly into the time frame of Isaiah for a rapture happening before the labor pains even begin in September.
Those two areas of scripture are Isaiah 18 (of which I have written much on) and The Song of Solomon. Both of these areas of scripture indicate a late spring or early summer period for the catching up or rapture of the church which to me validates Revelation 12 and Isaiah 66.
Notice also that in the second story line of verses 3-5 there is no labor or labor pains mentioned seemingly agreeing with Isaiah that a birth happened before labor and without pain.
And what I consider a funny thought..........there seemed to be much labor pain in the September scenario......why wouldn't there be......twins were born......the two witnesses.
In Isaiah 18 verses 3-6 the rapture is described and in verse 3 God describes a banner or a sign on or over the mountains just before the rapture. I have written posts to Doves on the many “banner” verses that appear in the bible. And how the bible states that the “banner” in the sky somehow is a representation or sign indicating Jesus.
Maybe in this case during the second sign spoken of in Revelation 12 concerning the Red Dragon or Planet X or Nubiru this sign or banner will represent........Jesus coming for us. Didn't He tell us in Luke to “look up” for our redemption “draws near”. Look up at what? A red scary object perhaps. And something is drawing near.....coming closer all the time. Could that be the red planet?
So I am thinking, this spring, when the world starts to see this red celestial object appear in the sky that goes by many names it will be time to get very excited. And for those who haven't repented and called on the name of the Lord for their salvation......they will surely need do so.
Scott Clark's link concerning the Red Dragon......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuT0oy4p6P0
Blessings Doves........John B
P.S. I am not saying.... this is the way it will be..........I'm saying this is the way I have discerned these scripture verses. And I encourage you to read them for yourselves and make up your own minds.
One more thing.....if the world powers indeed know that this red planet will arrive soon and the catastrophes that it will bring, could that explain why Trump is suddenly (now that he has been briefed) starting to go back on some of his campaign promises....the Mexican wall, and a few other things....
And could that explain why Obama has left our borders wide open and has released 1000's of prisoners and put millions of illegal immigrants on our welfare systems. As much as I totally dislike Obama and other world leaders who appear to have lost their minds by their recent actions........ could these world leaders be doing these things from a benevolent posture because of their knowing what is coming???
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In this weeks post concerning Revelation 12....... I mistakenly inserted the constellation Aries when it should have been Virgo
John B