Greg;I have no doubts about "calendar dates" or second-guessing when the Sabbatical cycles or Jubilees occur. The reason is that history has shown that calculating dates (even when one calendar must be adjusted to accuracy within another calendar) that it all works out - and without that being the case, there could be NO accurate mathematical equations which PROVED certain prophecies were fulfilled, such as the PRECISE DATE that the Lord would be announced as the Messiah on Palm Sunday, April 6, 32 A.D.....or even the prophecy of when Israel would return to the Land.Please let me illustrate > First the Seventy Weeks Prophecy and Christ's Return:(Again, this may seem 'lengthy' but if you truly want to know, then it takes time to read and study it,)God foretold to the exact day when the Jews would be officially presented their long-awaited Messiah!THE PROPHECYDaniel 9:24-26:"Seventy weeks of years, or 490 years (70 weeks of years) are decreed upon your people and upon your holy city Jerusalem, to finish and put an end to transgression, to seal up and make full the measure of sin, to purge away and make expiation and reconciliation for sin, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint a holy of holies. Know, therefore, and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem until the coming of the anointed one, a prince, shall be seven weeks of years, and sixty-two weeks of years; it shall be built again with city square and moat, but in troublous times. And after the 62 weeks of years, shall the anointed one be cut off (killed) and shall have nothing and no one belonging to and defending Him..."
This prophecy contains 3 parts:
FIRST PART OF PROPHECYMarch 14, 445 B.C. Emperor Artaxerxes decreed to restore & rebuild Jerusalem+ 49 years first part of Daniel's prophecy to 396 B.C.445 B.C - decree went forth- 396 B.C. - 49 years ended at49 yearsSECOND PART OF PROPHECYDaniel 9:26 > "And after threescore and two weeks (62) shall Messiah be cut off, but not for Himself...."In other words, the "anointed One" would come some time after the 49 years and would then be killed. This is understood to NOT refer to Jesus's birth, but to His presentation as the Messiah after the 49 + 62 = 69 Weeks.His presentation as the Messiah is known as Palm Sunday. Jesus came to Jerusalem on Passover in the year 32 A.D., which was April 6.The two periods combined are (7 + 62 = 69 Weeks of Years, or 483 Jewish years, or 173,880 days)....leaving 1 week (the 70th Week) future.69 Weeks 70 Weeks360 Hebrew days in a year 173,880 days = 483 years/69 weeksx 483 Hebrew years ( 7 + 62 = 69 weeks) + 2,520 = 1 week - future 7 years173,880 days = 483 years/69 Weeks 176,400 days = 490 years/70 WeeksWhen Jesus rode into the rebuilt city of Jerusalem and for the first time openly presented Himself as the Messiah of Israel, the calculated date was April 6, 32 AD: (Palm Sunday)The number of days in 69 weeks, (483 prophetic years): 483 x 360 = 173,880 daysTo calculate the number of days between March 14, 445 BC and April 6, 32 AD:On our calendar it is 476 years, 24 days, (1 BC to 1 AD is one year, not two).The number of days then is 476 x 365 = 173,740 daysPlus March 14 to April 6................................. 24 daysAdd 119 days for leap years in that period.......119 days173,883 daysThe Julian year is 1/128th of a daylonger than the Jewish solar year.Multiply 476 years times 1/128,we get three days. Subtracting...................................3 daysmakes our calendar line up accurately withthe 360 yr. cycle).............................................. 173,880 days*The mathematically accurate date when Jesus rode into the rebuilt city of Jerusalem and for the first time openly presented Himself as the Messiah of Israel is April 6, 32 AD., proving there are exactly 69 Weeks of Years (173,880 days) between the decree of King Artaxerxes in 445 B.C to rebuild Jerusalem to Palm Sunday, April 6, 32 A.D.!!God foretold to the day when Messiah would present Himself to Israel as their Messiah-King.
We see this event recorded in Matthew 21:1-11 :
And when they drew nigh unto Jerusalem, and were come to Bethphage (the place from which Jesus sent his disciples to find a colt upon which he would ride into Jerusalem; likely on the road from Jerusalem to Jericho and the limit of a Sabbath's-day's journey from Jerusalem, that is, 2,000 cubits), unto the mount of Olives, then sent Jesus two disciples, Saying unto them, Go into the village over against you, and straightway ye shall find an ass tied, and a colt with her: loose them, and bring them unto me. And if any man say ought unto you, ye shall say, The Lord hath need of them; and straightway he will send them. All this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, Tell ye the daughter of Sion, Behold, thy King cometh unto thee, meek, and sitting upon an ass, and a colt the foal of an ass. And the disciples went, and did as Jesus commanded them, And brought the ass, and the colt, and put on them their clothes, and they set him thereon. And a very great multitude spread their garments in the way; others cut down branches from the trees, and strawed them in the way. And the multitudes that went before, and that followed, cried, saying, Hosanna to the son of David: Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord; Hosanna in the highest. And when he was come into Jerusalem, all the city was moved, saying, Who is this? And the multitude said, This is Jesus the prophet of Nazareth of Galilee.
* God had wonderfully foretold to Daniel the exact day on which Messiah was to announce Himself as King. Now tell me, if we keep doubting "calendar dates", and wresting the Sabbaths and Jubilees out of their scriptural places, how we will ever begin to "know" anything???
Next I will show you another proof of mathematical accuracy which God gave us, foretelling the precise date of Israel's official 'return to the Land' in May 1948.Prophecies by Ezekiel and Moses pinpoint with precision the date chosen by God as the exact day in time to resurrect the nation of Israel. This exact date was prophesied thousands of years before in Scripture. Israel's return to the land after 1,900 years was indeed prophesied accurately.....(therefore the "calendars" had to be correct for us to know!)
FIRST > Ezekiel 37:21-22: "And say unto them, 'Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land: And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all.'"
This verse shows that it is the will of the Lord to bring them back to their own land and make them one nation in the land.
SECOND > Leviticus 26:23-24: "And if ye will not be reformed by me by these things, but will walk contrary unto me; Then will I also walk contrary unto you, and will punish you yet seven times for your sins."
As a stand-alone verse this is very strange, and when applying it to the history of Israel it seems impossible to fully understand. However, when we read the Book of Ezekiel we find another strange prophecy that leads us back to God's prophecy in Leviticus. It's through these prophecies that we come to an understanding that May 14, 1948, was the exact date chosen by God for the resurrection of Israel thousands of years before it took place.
THIRD > Ezekiel 4:4-6: "Lie thou also upon thy left side, and lay the iniquity of the house of Israel upon it: according to the number of the days that thou shalt lie upon it thou shalt bear their iniquity. For I have laid upon thee the years of their iniquity, according to the number of the days, three hundred and ninety days: so shalt thou bear the iniquity of the house of Israel. And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year."
So, in this rather strange prophecy, Ezekiel is commanded to first lay on his left side for 390 days and then on his right side for 40 days, for a total of 430 days, as punishment for the iniquities of the house of Israel."This punishment represents one day for each year. Taken alone, the prophecies in Leviticus and Ezekiel do not take on any specific significance. However, when we combine them, the results are astonishing.
God decreed to Israel a total of 430 years of punishment for her sins against Him. That punishment consisted of physical removal from the land God had promised His people. Israel's captivity in Babylon was exactly 70 years as prophesied by the prophet Jeremiah (Jeremiah 25:11-12; 29:10).Therefore, the first 70 years of Israel's punishment was completed when the Babylonian captivity ended. By the decree of King Cyrus, conqueror of Babylon, the Jews were set free from their captivity in the year 538 B.C.E. The year 538 B.C.E, therefore becomes the base year with which we begin our calculations: 430 years minus 70 year captivity equals 360 years of remaining punishment to come."
That's where the Leviticus prophecy kicks in > punishment x 7.The 360 years needed to be multiplied by seven, for a total of 2,520 years.360 Hebrew yearsx 7 7 times more punishment
2,520 total yearsUsing the 360-day Hebrew calendar, that totals 907,200 days.2,520 Hebrew yearsx 360 days per year151,2007560907,200 Hebrew calendar daysWhen converted to the 365-day calendar, the 2,520 years or 907,200 days becomes 2,485 years and five months or 2,485.5 years and months.When you subtract 538 years B.C.E, you get 1,947 years and five months.
2485.47...................................or, 2,485 years + 5 months.365 Greg. days - 907,220 Hebrew days - 538 B.C.E1,947 years + 5 months.There was no year zero.
Therefore, the year 1,947.5 we call the year 1948.5.So exactly 1,947.5 years after 538 B.C.E., we come to the year 1948.5.May is the fifth month of the modern calendar, and on May 14, 1948, Israel arose from the ashes of extinction to become a nation!~You said it yourself, Greg > "God does not hide His secrets from us, but for us. Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he reveals His secret unto his servants the prophets." So how could He expect us to know what He has revealed if there is no way to calculate those times (according to calendars & dates) or the chronology of His appointed times? The doubt and confusion that is perpetrated against 'calendars and dates' is no different than that which is caused by the doctrine of "Imminency". There was, and still is, no doctrine of "imminency" because CERTAIN APPOINTED EVENTS AND THEIR FULFUILLMENT MUST COME FIRST, BEFORE THE LORD RETURNS! (For instance, how could the Lord have returned before Israel returned to the Land? (Just sayin'.)As for your mentioning Rabbi Judah Ben Samuel..."So far he is looking like a prophet with accuracy right up to 1967 - in 50 year increments - which would be consistent with 1917 & 1967." May I add something about this in case people don't know?Judah Ben Samuel was a legendary German rabbi of the 12th century who made specific predictions about the future of Jerusalem and Israel that came true. He published the results of his biblical calculations (Gematria) and astrological observations and summarized: “When the Ottoman Turks conquer Jerusalem they will rule over Jerusalem for eight jubilees. Afterwards Jerusalem will become no-man’s land for one jubilee, and then in the tenth jubilee it will once again come back into the possession of the Jewish nation – which would signify the beginning of the Messianic end time.”Ben Samuel’s calculations were purely theoretical; there was absolutely no sign at that time of their being fulfilled. He himself did not experience their fulfillment, for it was 300 years after his death that the first of his predictions were to come true:The Ottoman Turks seized control of Jerusalem in 1517 (for eight Jubilees) until 400 years later they were driven out of the city and holy land in 1917 (on Hanukah, no less) by the Allied Forces under command of General George Allenby. From 1917 to 1967 (the 9th Jubilee) Jerusalem became a "No-Man's Land" under the British Mandate by the League of Nations.Even after Israel’s war of independence in 1948-49, Jerusalem was still divided by a strip of land running right through the heart of the city, with Jordan controlling the eastern part of the city and Israel controlling the western part of the city. That strip of land was considered and even called “no-man’s land” by both the Israelis and the Jordanians.Then, when Israel captured Jerusalem in the Six Day War of 1967, exactly one jubilee (50 years) after 1917, Jerusalem passed back into the possession of Israel and the Messianic End Times began...and if Ben Samuel is right, we have been in the 10th (and last) Jubilee before Jesus returns.Greg, you also said: "Then there is the matter of the Jubilee count. Is anyone certain? We know it begins after 49 years and that the 50th year is the Jubilee, but after that, does the next Jubilee count begin with the 50th year or in the 51st year? Some say that the Jubilee year is the first year of the next Jubilee cycle. Israel has not kept Jubilees since the Assyrians disbursed the Northern Kingdom." Please let me answer that. Yes, we can be certain of the Jubilee count for the same reasons we can be certain of the calendars and dates! As you will see in the timeline I will offer in the next post, the Jubilee Year is the 50th year and is also the first year in the next Jubilee cycle. It is true that Israel has not kept the Jubilee years - yet neither has she kept the Sabbaths - YET THE CYCLES GO ON!....just as they did when God sent them into Babylonian exile SO THE LAND COULD ENJOY IT'S SABBATHS! And if that wasn't a true "counting" I don't know what is, because God released them after His prophesied punishment for not observing the Sabbaths!So....is 1917 the next Jubilee? NO, but see for yourself. In a separate post I'm sending a "timeline" I've developed (although I'm excluding the detailed version which also goes into the 70th Week.) This is simply so one can "see" the dated Sabbatical cycles and Jubilee counting from a paticular time period forward without the detailed historical information contained in those years And, yes, the dates are reliable for History bears them out. The truth is, God's time line of history is revealed in Israel, and to know where we are on that time line, watch Israel. Keep in mind, as you shall see...the Jewish years overlap our Gregorian years (which is where a lot of people get confused, just as they do with not realizing a Jewish "day" is sunset (evening) to sunset (evening.) Thus, the years in the timeline are listed from Rosh HaShanah to Rosh Hashanah (head of the new year to head of the new year) and therefore the Gregorian and Hebrew calendars overlap.It is discouraging to hear people say "too many numbers", too many possibilities", or they use the words "alleged" or "absence of true calendar dates", or "nobody knows when the true Sabbatical cycles or Jubilees are since the Jews didn't "keep them", (BUT GOD DID!). But I realize not everybody studies in depth and so they don't get the full meaning. People think "Good Friday" really is the day Jesus was crucified because they count Fri/Sat/Sun as the three days, not considering where are the three NIGHTS? They don't know that the Jewish day begins in the evening and Passover was on a Wednesday that He died....Wed. night, Thurs. night, Fri. night (THREE NIGHTS)....and Thurs. day, Fri. day, Sat. day (THREE DAYS) with the Lamb of God resurrecting after the Saturday Sabbath ended, early in the morning of Sunday, the first day of the week for the Hebrews!People don't realize that Jewish days begin in the evening - sunset to sunset. People don't realize that everything hinged on God's Sabbatical cycles and Jubilees from the very beginning!...and even if the Jews didn't "keep/observe" them, GOD STILL DID --- AND DOES!People say "no one can know" when He will return because Jesus referred to "the day that no man knows" - which is an idiom that in Jesus' day actually referred to the Feast of Trumpets (much like our saying Happy Turkey Day when everyone knows you mean Thanksgiving.)People who are sincerely looking for Jesus' return hopefully say "His return is IMMINENT!" Yet they don't consider that God has "appointed times" (Hebrew > mo'edim) and that Jesus could not have returned before Israel was back in the Land, nor that the Sealed Book of Daniel could have been "opened" and truly understood before the end times began....nor the Bible Codes discovered before the age of computers....nor that iniquity in the last days will wax worse and worse until it is again "like in the days of Noah, when men were evil continually!"People simply don't realize that to know and understand the Seven Feasts of the Lord is to know and understand the fulfillment of the history -and future- of the world according to God's Plan before the foundations of the world were made! Though the Feasts were appointed unto Israel to observe, they were meant for the WORLD - the Jews were to SHOW the world who God was and what He would do for His people - and ALL people! Each Feast foretold how God would redeem His entire Creation from the clutches of the evil one....so we would know and understand. But sadly WHO teaches The Feasts in the churches? WHO talks about The Feasts in the same way they do in conversations about passing news stories in a passing world? Ask anybody what they know about The Feasts of the Lord and see what they answer. THE FEASTS OF THE LORD ARE LIFE! If you don't know about them, you don't/won't/can't know what life is about. Faith -and other such things- cometh by hearing.......but if you don't HEAR it, how can you know it?Anyway, I'm sending a subsequent posting of the timeline so that one can readily SEE the passing years according to God's Sabbatical cycles and Jubilee Years. The information above concerning the examples of mathematical equations proving God has given PRECISE DATES to know when to expect things is proof (at least to me) that WE CAN KNOW! As you said Greg, God will not do anything without telling us of it.Shalom.....until,sherry vance~