From R 1000Good day ! Thank you to share your thoughts on this subject. Very interesting !In the research to find the true birthday of Our Saviour , here on earth; I want to put in evidence the WORD of the Bible.We have to look at Luke 1 : 5 Zacharia is the father of John the baptist. His wife Elizabeth couldn't have children.He was serving , at the Temple, according to his CLASS ( Division )Division of A B I J A HNow we have to go to 1 Chron 24 : 1- 10 and it is written the division of Abijah was the 8 th .At the temple, the services started with class # 1 and foward to 24 divisions. Comes the 8 th division , Zacharia was in sevice. He had a vision and a revelation. Right after his services , he went with his wife and we know by the scriptures that Elizabeth got pregnant.Luke 1 : 36 Mary is told that Elizabeth is pregnant in her 6 th month and she is told to go visit her.Vers 39 Mary goes to see Elizabeth and the minute she Saw Mary , the baby she was carrying, leaped in her womb.If we start the services at the temple in april with the starting of the years... then the 8 th class would be around JUNE.Soon after his service , Zacharia went with his wife. John the baptist is conceaved.Elizabeth , 6 month later ( dec. ) Mary got a visit , TOO from an angel. She goes to visit Elizabeth in her 6 th month.Mary stayed there for about 3 months Luke 1 : 56 ( around the birth of John ) then Mary returned home.Mary was then pregnant with Jesus of 3 months ?Haggai 2 : 18 .... Consider now from this day forward, from the twenty-fourth day of the ninth month ( Kislev... Hannukka ? )from the day that the foundation of the Lord's temple was laid... consider it !Ver 19... Is the S E E D still in the barn ?.......That bring us to the birth of Jesus Christ in the Fall of a few years before the death of Herod 13 march 4 BC.My point of view is this : I mean no harm or no confusion but...The KEY word , here , is the division of Zacharia mentionned by Luke 1 : 5It is hard for US , humans to understand every little things gathered in the Bible but if we put our minds and hearts to the TRUTH, the ETERNAL YHWHwill add and will answer our daily prayers.In Yeshua 's holy nameR 1000